City of Edinburgh Council - 26 October 2017 (Thu, 26th Oct 2017 - 10:00 am) 

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thank you
good morning everyone and welcome to this meeting of the City of Edinburgh Council which will be broadcast live on the internet
just like to remind everyone present

[Cllr Frank Ross (Scottish National Party) - 0:00:32]

about this live broadcasting on the internet and that will be stored as part of the Council's webcast archive and capable of repeated viewing
i have the discretion to terminate or suspend filming if in my opinion allowing filming to continue would prejudice the proceedings of the meeting
Members are reminded that cameras are activated by the sound system must be switched the must switch on their microphones when speaking and importantly off when finished
we will break integrate today for lunch approximately one o'clock we will have a short break round about eleven thirty to allow the stenographer
arrest and our judge whether that will be in the proceedings depending upon time and as it goes no hand over to the court for the Order of Business

Item 5.2 - By Councillor Lang - Active Travel Plan

Item 1.1 - Order of Business

Item 2.1 - Declaration of Interests

[ Allan McCartney (Clerk) - 0:01:23]

think of our progress and A and B agenda have been issued for today's meeting Item 2 on agenda is Declarations of interest the councillors' code requires members to publicly declared an interest in items being discussed at today's meeting these can be financial or non-financial are there any from the Conservative Group
none thank you Labour Group
yes
sorry
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thank you as MPs in turkey
you have numbers Spokes no cake record
thank you
and
yes
9 point 4 a non-financial interest as a member of spooks
yes
and the same and the cake was very nice
because this saying thank you
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yes non-financial 9 point 1 As are regular users of domenichini station
Councillor
spakes as well
thank you

Item 3.1 - Request for Deputation

Item 3.2 - Request for Deputation

Item 4.1 - Minute of 21 September 2017

that concludes the declarations there were no deputations or this morning and the Minister's their item for the minutes of the meeting of 21 September for approval is that minute approved

Item 5 - Questions and Answers

Item 5.1 - By Councillor Osler - East Fettes Avenue Crossing Point

McQuillan curative 5 as questions first one is from Councillor Osler

[Cllr Hal Osler (Liberal Democrat) - 0:03:09]

thank you very much indeed Convener for your answers and so on and I would be extremely grateful if you could keep you informed of the progress thank you for the question
failure to do so

Item 5.2 - By Councillor Lang - Active Travel Plan

[Cllr Lesley Macinnes (Scottish National Party) - 0:03:22]

[Cllr Kevin Lang (Liberal Democrat) - 0:03:26]

5 point 2 became so long active travel plan
thank you very much i think that if you do for the answers that she's provided and does she recognise that if this document had been published the lycee with so many maps excluded C LIBERTON GILMERTON at that perhaps her and her constituents would probably be as frustrated as mine and does she accept that practices such as this only fuel the perception which does exist in many parts of Queensfield Kirkliston that they are not a priority and K at least just ask her for her help to try and ensure that documents like this more accurately reflect the fact that this is a Council which serves all of the communities in the

[Cllr Lesley Macinnes (Scottish National Party) - 0:04:10]

city and not just those within the City Bypass
8 Councillor line i'm happy to agree that all areas are important to the seven Borough Council and that indeed they should be reflected in terms of the electronic presence in in the publication of our aim in this case travel plan and I think the answer the written answer was given gives you a fool m commitment the other tits now going to be amended to show the full network of maps and I think that something that we can all welcome particularly the residents of of your particular ward and
I can go no further than that other than to commit to the fact that i've been talking to officials about the need to reflect all of these areas were conscious of changes are occurring in your area and we need to be a cognisant of that in all of our work thank you

[Cllr Kevin Lang (Liberal Democrat) - 0:05:03]

5 point 3 is by Councillor in costa on car parks

Item 5.3 - By Councillor Lang - Council Owned Car Parks

thank you again for your answers my question really related lace to park and ride or more to other car parks so given the Convener has promised some more data for me in the next couple of weeks i will hold off my supplementary until I get that information
5 point 4 by cancelling Queensferry High Street
thank you very simple question given the funding for this was agreed in january two thousand and sixteen for what reason is it going to take almost two years to even appointor contracto let alone start work

[Cllr Alasdair Rankin (Scottish National Party) - 0:05:40]

like a personal thank Councillor question re I agree that the delays is very regrettable but every now and then you do come across practical problems in terms of
A tendering process for recruiting a consultant then i'm afraid that's what happened in this case we got a long way down the road with the appointment of a consultant only for that individual to be barred in the end due to performance issues
so the Council then went through a traditional competitive tendering process but the delay in the appointment has been partly due to a function of resource and competing priorities we have lost some staff as a result of transformation in the North West locality Team and that has helped the process
but in spring and summer of this year we undertook a pre-selection assessment process with support of the Procurement Team who also have noted that they have resource pressures to but I would like to assure Council lang the administration does remain wholly committed to delivering a successful Town Centre
in consultation with the local community
5 point 5 speakers sequoyah safety and access for pedestrians on Aylesbury Road

[Cllr Gillian Gloyer (Liberal Democrat) - 0:06:53]

I thank the Convener fair answer and of golf course me we we we all appreciate that the more complex issues will take time to develop and implement and I look forward to further updates in due course however as you point out that there are a number on that site visit there were a number of things that were identified as quick wins and i'm a bit puzzled as to why they are going to take six months to implement there were things like the moving redundant route science and an moving a grit bin and their small things but cumulatively there would make it very much easier for pedestrians to to negotiate the narrow sections of those pavements and could cut the convenient give me an assurance that these small minor improvements will be implemented before the end of this year

[Cllr Lesley Macinnes (Scottish National Party) - 0:07:46]

thank you Councillor M I hesitate to commit m Departments to specific deadlines like that but I can assure you that when we refer to them as being delivered in the next six months it does not mean that we are going to be wait until five and a half months from now to deliver all of them a you'll have seen no doubt that the equator a wide range of them you are correct they are a relatively small pieces of work but there's a number of them and including such things as air moving redundant ineffective signage are broadly out warning etc and some of these require processes to be gone through i will be asking officials to expedite them as quickly as possible
I point 6 by Councillor gloria pedestrian crossing across the A 8 and Kaimes Road
I again thank you for your answer and I its it's very good to to have

[Cllr Gillian Gloyer (Liberal Democrat) - 0:08:41]

it confirmed that the section seventy five funding is is is as good as is in place and I am pleased to read that there will be consultation on the preferred proposals and it seems to me that this is an opportunity to improve access around the crossing as well as just between the two pavements and for example there are a couple of steps down to the foot path through to require park and which

Item 5.4 - By Councillor Lang - Queensferry High Street

these steps mean the N 1 in a wheelchair or with a prom has to detour through the forestry commission's groans could the Convener and ensure that the consultation that that's envisage includes people who would actually use the crossing and and that they are able to influence the final design

Item 5.6 - By Councillor Gloyer - Pedestrian Crossing Across the A8 at Kaimes Road

Item 5.7 - By Councillor Booth - Proposals for Carriageway Changes

thank you Councillor Gloyer yes I can confirm that and I hope will also have an input into that consultation to thank you
mixed grocers by cones' birth on proposals for carriageway changes
A lot of us that either Convener for her response

[Cllr Chas Booth (Scottish Green) - 0:09:44]

i'm sure she will agree with me that it's very difficult for a key stakeholders such as living streets or spokes to respond to Council consultations on carriageway changes if technical drawings have not been published in her response she said that the read determination order promoted for Leaf Street has been published that is correct but unfortunate doesn't include technical drawings will she give me a date when she got the Council a date on which the technical drawings for these two streets will be published please

[Cllr Lesley Macinnes (Scottish National Party) - 0:10:13]

when he came to the booth M I will not give you a precise date at this particular meeting as I haven't had a chance to discuss it with officials and also requires them to to augment what is already the year on the online presence but I will undertake to get that done as quickly as I possibly can in at linked to speak tulsa to that to the Piccadilly Place element in the question that you asked and I would like to take this opportunity to remind people that will actually delaying our processes on Piccadilly Place in order to expand our degree of consultation on that and I hope that that will be welcome to all those who have been considered in this question
Prior appointed by Council lying janitorial review

[Cllr Kevin Lang (Liberal Democrat) - 0:10:57]

thank you have to say I was quite puzzled by the answers which the Convener provided in the questions that I asked here and it's recognised that specific revised levels of cover have already been provided to a number of community centres and to management committees so why was that information not able to be provided to this Council today in response to the question that I asked that we really at a point where we have to start asking freedom of information requests to get this kind of basic information and secondly what a final set of proposals be subject to a decision of any committee of this Council

[Cllr Alasdair Rankin (Scottish National Party) - 0:11:39]

I thank Councillor Lowe has questions to answer the second question first the answer is yes

Item 5.8 - By Councillor Lang - Janitorial Review

decisions will ultimately be made by a Council committee
on the first point I understand that there are a number of things going on a consultation process at the moment
with the janitorial staff themselves as also programme of Community Centre engagement visits going on most of the Community Centres have engaged some of those that have not i think a majority that haven't been because they are going to be unaffected by what's proposed but i'd be happy to provide Council line than the additional information that he feels is lacking at the moment

[Cllr Kevin Lang (Liberal Democrat) - 0:12:17]

sorry soil provost i still don't understand why is it that the information that is already in the public domain that has been provided directly to community centers why has that information not being provided to me in response to the first question that I asked i

[Cllr Alasdair Rankin (Scottish National Party) - 0:12:35]

do not understand why that information cannot be provided to this Council
i can't answer that question definitively law promise it very much depends on precisely what information has been provided to each of the community centres involved but i'm happy to look at that question in more detail to see if there are any issues which could be resolved

[ Allan McCartney (Clerk) - 0:12:54]

[Cllr Alex Staniforth (Scottish Green) - 0:12:58]

5 point 9 years by cancer Staniforth it's the Bank of Scotland museum closure
I thank the convenient for his answers they were very illuminating would the Convener be willing to write to the Lloyds banking Group to express dismay at the closure of the museum of the mound and ask them to reverse their decision

[Cllr Donald Wilson (Labour) - 0:13:18]

thank you Council Staniforth get some very happy to do that and as it says in the answer we have set up a meeting to discuss this any way I share the sentiments the problem with obviously private collections is that there are private so we don't know of any comprehensive
list of these collections across the city so it is very much on a case by case basis and you flagged up their schemes and I would thank you for that and there are more than happy to say yes to that
Councillor Jim Campbell was asked about school recruitment
thank you would like to
thank the Convener freeze answer and also just register my slight schalk kit and the lack of precision it with some of the data that this information is pretty standard Odsey in the private sector so I

[Cllr Jim Campbell (Conservative) - 0:14:05]

am surprised that we don't have a good feel to the length of time it's taking to make offers the length of time it's are taking for them to be accepted and the acceptance rate certainly at a parent Councillors recently at the head teacher was very disappointed that several of the offers she'd made two candidates were turned down because they already accepted alternate appointment
would the Convener consider gathering this information

[Cllr Ian Perry (Labour) - 0:14:31]

I was going to ask you presume you are talking about a specific appointment here

Item 5.9 - By Councillor Staniforth - Bank of Scotland - Museum Closure

which I have just clarified that and I am quite happy to look at that

Item 5.10 - By Councillor Jim Campbell - School Recruitment

it was a bit information is very generalised if you have a specific issue than i'm willing to take up and give you an answer

Item 5.11 - By Councillor McLellan - Licensing - Dog Walkers

5 point eleven by Council mclaren licensing dog-walkers
approval

Item 5.12 - By Councillor Johnston - Utility Works

5 12 became so johnson utility works

[Cllr Andrew Johnston (Conservative) - 0:15:00]

thank you for that answer I asked the question because there was some confusion about the extent of the guarantee period Vine pleased it has been clarified that as indeed two years as opposed to one year thank you
Councillor Smith Council owned property

[Cllr Stephanie Smith (Conservative) - 0:15:16]

thank you very much and I thank there can be no first thorough answers and may I ask if the Convener will be happy to meet with me to discuss this specific case in my ward which led to me asking the questions and in advance of the review that he mentions in them is it in his answer to question one
earthly schools from three full accretion optional lose my dog to any

[Cllr Gavin Barrie (Scottish National Party) - 0:15:37]

Councillor Walters for surface water sewers at any time

Item 5.13 - By Councillor Smith - Council Owned Properties

Item 5.14 - By Councillor Doggart - New Primary School - Canaan Lane

5 14 becomes a dogged new primary school Kinallen

[Cllr Mark Brown (Conservative) - 0:15:50]

where progress thank you to the Convener for his answers

[Cllr Phil Doggart (Conservative) - 0:15:55]

in August Councillor Neil Ross asked around the the issues affecting Uplands care home and the concern that parents had that an resolved issues around that care home would delay the completion of the School at Kinallen so is the Convener able to confirm that the issues affecting Oaklands care home have indeed been resolved and they will have no subsequent
impact on the completion date of the new school
there are a bit confused with the question was about South Malling primary school here
not auckland
you if you can clarify what the link between the two are absolutely
obviously South Morningside school is connected to
the new school that will be built in Killyleagh in and the parents are concerned as you do as you can see from the question that there would be funding issues
right ok i think i think in the answer to the last question quite happy to meet the parents obviously this is a fairly complicated issue it should take a long time to explain in the Chamber and it would be better to meet the parents to hear from them directly what the issues are so give me a commitment to meet them with yourself

Item 5.15 - By Councillor Jim Campbell - Section 75 Contributions

5 15 Councillor Jim Campbell section seventy five contributions

[Cllr Jim Campbell (Conservative) - 0:17:16]

so thank care the Convener for his answer and I actually asked this in response to something a constituent addressed with me
she had told me i was surprised to hear that the Council didn't keep a record of all the section seventy five that had been agreed by Planning and I am rather surprised to find the convenience confirming that
that come about after an incident in my ward where the best part of a million pounds that had been agreed with the developer wasn't in fact paid due to a lack of management shall we see so what confidence can to convince or give me and my constituent that we now have a process in place so that one section seventy five have been agreed with developers we are managing that through to the money coming to this city
thanks very much for the question although there is no formal register

[Cllr Lewis Ritchie (SNP) - 0:18:06]

and for recording planning obligation contributions all planning regulations and or planning obligations will achieve through statutory means through section seventy five or any other planning legislation are recorded and monitored
and the Council's uniform database that is publicly available and all information is there to see
in anticipation of your question and your supplementary question i've got full information here on the scale of charges that we find in various different subject areas over various different years and are more than happy to share it with you
20 16 as mercosur webber on school catchment area
thank you
thank you very much and thank you Convener for your answers to my question but a couple of supplementaries can I just get assurance from

[Cllr Stephanie Smith (Conservative) - 0:18:52]

you that in fact all the local schools will be involved in these

[Cllr Susan Webber (Conservative) - 0:18:55]

consultations that are scheduled to take place and November and again as these workshops are scheduled to take place in november as i've just said and november starts next week that perhaps the Convener might provide the dates for these consultations as soon as possible and Q
I am quite happy to confirm that all primary schools all be involved and i'm also happy as soon as we have heard the meetings with the local Councillors involved because that has not happened yet on it's going to happen as soon as possible fully and once that's happened when local councils understand the proposals it will then go to consultation in november something
but it should turn basic
total grissett or just checking that technically is everything OK
it is something we need to to hold off for five or 10 minutes just to get this fixed
if Council is happy on unconscious that i don't want somebody to be excluded from the not so we have a small recess 5 10 minutes

Item 5.15 - By Councillor Jim Campbell - Section 75 Contributions

ok it isn't chance if we could take our seats please
ok i understand the art technical difficulties have now been resolved

[Cllr Frank Ross (Scottish National Party) - 0:21:47]

to thank you for
everybody helped make that happen and we will go back to where we were on the order of business

Item 5.16 - By Councillor Webber - School Catchment Areas

Item 5.17 - By Councillor Rust - General Waste Litter Bins

[ Allan McCartney (Clerk) - 0:21:54]

thank you lot process just continuing with their questions 5 seventeen knows by Council rushed on general waste litter bins

[Cllr Jason Rust (Conservative) - 0:22:04]

thank you Lord Provost than for that build up all the questions not really that exciting and I thank the computer for the answers to your questions
a couple of points to make and it simply in relation to the ongoing review and draft policy whether there's a timescale for that for that reporting so wasn't aware of at all and in particular in terms of the new bins being ordered if there is a timescale for that
and the second issue was in relation to answer for I find it very hard to believe that there are only three are standing request I know personally of quite a number in my ward so quite late understand how these figures have been collated because I think that answers erroneous Fane very final point is that has been raised with me by a community group as to whether in the PSNI be able to form part of the review of the policy FOR community group was to purchase are put funds towards buying generally slimmer bins and agreeing a location with the Council whether the Council would be willing to empty their bins thank you

[Cllr Lesley Macinnes (Scottish National Party) - 0:23:11]

McCann
police and thank you very much for the supplementary question and clearly if you're indicating that there are outstanding bin requests will have to look into that and I will come back to you specifically on that particular point i'm surprised to hear if they haven't been recorded it depends a schools on the nature of the request that's got in and in terms of the the last point of meat about our communities being able to play there and bins that Somerleyton discuss with the head of service and i'll come back to you again on that thank you
just undertake general timescale for the review of the policy is there a timescale
again that something had eight to come back to you having discussed it with the officials

Item 5.18 - By Councillor Bruce - Street Lighting

I routine is by Councillor Bruce on street lighting

[Cllr Graeme Bruce (Conservative) - 0:24:08]

thank you Lord pros and can I thank Councillor McCann us for the answers to my questions
just referring to question 1 be grateful if you could use your influence to certain a timescale for Scottish Power to fix these street lights on this stretch of Lanark Road West thank you
I am certainly happy to exert some degree of pleasure on that but clearly m. The probably could technical considerations that I suspect neither you nor i are qualified to discuss and so i'll certainly through their officials are trying to exert some pressure on that thank you

Item 5.19 - By Councillor Mary Campbell - Community Centres

i've 19 is by going to meet a Campbell on staffing proposals and community centres

[Cllr Mary Campbell (Scottish Green) - 0:24:51]

thank you Lord Provost i'm thanks to the Commissioner for his answers I was just wondering A noticed in question 1 there isn't exactly an answer about head of establishment and I would be grateful if more clarity could be provided if ahead of establishment post is being considered for community centres now CLT workers have been withdrawn
you you'll notice from the report were incorrect consultation moment

[Cllr Ian Perry (Labour) - 0:25:14]

that consultation will finish in December
no only other stop being consulted that Community Centre has been consulted once the results of that consultation has been we know that then we can meet if we make a judgement on how it is going to affect community centres and it's obviously up to the potential for wants to respond but what we're trying to do is to get the community centres to reflect on the position of councils in relation to budget and sees the same way that they can support One Central has fallen foul so that discussions are ongoing there shouldn't be any changes to anything until after the new year

Item 5.20 - By Councillor Booth - Leaf Sweeping

final questions for Councillor Booth on leaf sweeping

[Cllr Chas Booth (Scottish Green) - 0:25:56]

thank you Lord Provost i think that Convener for her response I must admit to being somewhat surprised by the response in particular to the first part of my question
the answer says that only one complaint about leaf leaves has been received on cycleways in the last year i know that i've submitted a handful of myself so it would appear it would appear that not all of the complaints are being logged i'd be great grateful if she could confirm that she will investigate why that is apparently not happening in restrict response to my question about how members of the public can report in particular online problems with leaves on foot and cycle paths she and her responses provided the form to reporting litter i wasn't aware that litter included leaf litter but perhaps that could also be made clear on the website and also there's no way of reporting problems crucially in our off road cycle network I'd be grateful if she could address that point I suppose the general point is that if we expect members of the public to use THE foot and and cycle to get around then surely we as a Council have a responsibility to ensure that our facilities for pedestrians and cyclists are well-maintained because she give a commitment to ensuring that this improves in future

[Cllr Lesley Macinnes (Scottish National Party) - 0:27:16]

i'm constantly and yes I will be very happy to investigate the fresh point as to why we only have one recorded and you're indicating that more than we need and clearly there may be some issues with system in that case and in terms of reporting specifically on leaf litter A I will be happy to talk to officials about how we can improve that particular m interaction with the public and to allow that to be more effective in terms of how we improve this level of service and clearly itself regular winter occurrence we can see that from the statistics as was vital for months across the winter months and you'll notice in answer for that has been given a reference to root smart and this is obviously something has been implemented for waste collections but in this particular case will also be used to inform them mechanical leaf sweeping routes and clearly we have to take time to feed information into that system to get up fully and running but I think it promises to deliver more effectively than the current system i hope you'll give us some time to see the benefits of that thank you

[ Allan McCartney (Clerk) - 0:28:28]

lord provost ahead of the leaders report Councillor Ritchie has given notice of an emergency motion regarding a developer contributions relates to a recent supreme Court decision and calls for a report by the officials to the Planning Committee if you're happy to do this as an urgent matter that one obese circulated for consideration at the end of the business
i'm happy to agree that

Item 6.1 - Leader's Report

item 16 as the leaders report

[Cllr Adam McVey (Scottish National Party) - 0:28:56]

thank you very much Lord Provost it's been another fun-filled and very busy month for the city as we take forward our programme for the capital
just a few days ago we launched our budget options we published our budget options in the consultation that will go live very shortly i think its are list which not only takes cognisance of the financial saving that we find ourselves in and also maximises the levers that we have to try to address our challenges through an increase in council tax in other revenue raising options but also meets the aspirations i think that are in our programme and speaks to the priorities that we have as an administration and as a city to protect the services the vital services that we have in the city i would say when the consultation goes live m to encourage everyone in the city to participate in that process we are genuinely open and wrong information and views to come forth on those options that that we've submitted and if people see other opportunities that would like to let us know about all of this I elements in the proposals that we've published that they have particular difficulties with one and encouraged people to get in touch to let us know that to allow us to take cognisance of that in the budget decision which will happen early in the new year
and just yesterday we were promised
along with yourself and Councillor McKenna's met the Cabinet Secretary for Environment to discuss embara
Edinburgh's progression towards a low emission zone
that was a very helpful useful discussion and as a result of the timeline
Councillor McKenna's will be joining the national leadership on their low emission zones as Edinburgh's voice and taken forward that policy on a national level and the Edinburgh delivery mechanism
the delivery group of that is in the process of being established also with the Council and other key partners are officer level to make sure that we're ready as soon as practicable
to take on that
that new policy new way of improving your quality leaders like your own ward of Costorphine lowest that are of particular concern just in the city third m element I want to raise isn't health and social care we are working credibly hard still to make sure that we get the management of that service right the structure of that service right that we address the fundamental
issues that were addressed in that were highlighted in the inspection report we are taking it incredibly seriously we are putting as much political scrutiny as an administration on that process as we possibly can and working to make sure that there is a long term at future to resolve those issues and tackle the most acute problems in the short term as well the last thing I would say Lord Provost before inviting questions is congratulations to Councillor Dennis dixon on getting married last Thursday
and I wish him and pamela all the The happiness as the start of the new
life Air together which i'm sure will be substantially different to the
slice together thank you
click your way
thank you Lord Provost The Council Leader just referred to the budget

[Cllr Iain Whyte (Conservative) - 0:32:27]

consultation which we've seen reported and various news media in which comes before the Finance and Resources Committee very soon Lord Provost in that consultation is proposed that there is an immediate jump to increase Council Tax and charges by as much as possible charges for things like parking permits or new charges for things like garden waste the 3 percent Council Tax

[Cllr Iain Whyte (Conservative) - 0:32:54]

Increase possibility seems to be taken by this administration as an entitlement rather than a possibility
of Provost given the hike in charges reductions in service proposed on things like
garden waste and libraries hitting our suburbs hardest once again isn't it true that the message from the Leader of this Council to the squeezed middle in Edinburgh is simply this if you vote SNP or you vote Labour you pay more and you get less

[Cllr Adam McVey (Scottish National Party) - 0:33:28]

thank you very much not to give too much of a lesson to 2 Councillor White but it was an accurate we're not raising the Council Tax by
as much as possible there isn't a cap and actually the stick with the local air by the Scottish Government has now been removed so we could raise Council Tax by more than 30 percent no we could put that and our budget we made a pledge to people like the election that we would cap own increases over the next five years at the percent think lieberman made a similar pledge i think other parties made similar pledges we are sticking to the 3 percent i think it's an equitable M proposal which makes essentially as able to protect the services the vital services that we depend on the Conservatives would obviously go down a different route as they have in the UK Government and have seen what that approach Leeds do it leads to an increase in poverty it leads to an increase in deprivation and the life chances of the poorest in our community being taken away from them we're going a different route Lord Provost

[Cllr Iain Whyte (Conservative) - 0:34:33]

lord provost i'll come back on this to the Leader understand he has made a pledge about 3 percent being the maximum but he's immediately jumped it but regardless Lord Provost what does he have to see to those who pay their Council Tax every month some who've seen in higher bands are huge increase this year that actually the services they receive for it are going to be cut and there are going to be paying more does he agree that they are paying more and getting less

[Cllr Adam McVey (Scottish National Party) - 0:35:03]

Lord Provost are doing over the last 10 years the Council Tax has diminished in real terms because it was frozen by the SNP Government it was a hugely successful policy in making that tax affordable and shrinking the bills in real terms over the last
10 years that the SMP he's been in office i think that policy has helped to make local government far more affordable to people who are paying for those services but to suggest that council tax and that's what i'm almost pick it up from cancer waits question to suggest that Council Tax pays for all the services is just factually inaccurate piece for about a quarter of the services that we have in the city sorted suggest it's a zero sum game between what we spend as a local authority and council tax and its that simple i'm afraid aims to mislead the people of Edinburgh

[Cllr Melanie Main (Scottish Green) - 0:36:04]

thank you live protest and I welcome the leaders commitment in his report and this month to work tirelessly to address the challenges of an adult health and social care
however he does state in his report that there are one thousand and forty four people waiting for assessment but that's only people who are waiting for their first assessment and a further eight hundred people waiting for further assessments are second assessments and the need for our care homes continues to rise and yet we've recently seen
announcements for three care homes that are closing including Oaklands which will be making way for a new primary school in South Edinburgh
more than half our doctors surgeries have restricted lists because they can't cope with the number of patients
would the Leader agree that the situation across so many services is steadily getting worse
I very much m nor do and if you look at the bed-blocking figures for example they are heading in the right direction and a number of triggers
that we are tracking the are heading in the right direction we are still working and there are still a lot to do no one's going to pretend otherwise there is a lot to do to address the fundamentals of

[Cllr Adam McVey (Scottish National Party) - 0:37:14]

the structure and management of the service the bet the other element of that of course is how it's funded and how much is funded and that has been an element of negotiation and I have asked the Chief Executive of a council
to meet the chief executive and Chair of NHS so that we can discuss this as a genuine partnership which was what the GP was intended to be as soon as that meeting happens our report back but i don't accept that things are getting worse i think we are addressing the issues I think some of the stats numbers that were talking are actually getting better
thank you

[Cllr Melanie Main (Scottish Green) - 0:37:51]

thank you Lord Provost m with our waiting lists for assessments

[Cllr Melanie Main (Scottish Green) - 0:37:56]

[Cllr Melanie Main (Scottish Green) - 0:37:57]

continuing to grow by forty five people every single week i'm not sure how the Leader cant believe that things are getting better but is he aware that if these trends continue as they are by 20 20 to the annual funding gap the difference between the income and expenditure on our health and social care will be one hundred and four million pounds every year
so in less than five years' time the cost of providing services like the doctors and dentists a physiotherapist the social care that our edges for residents will need will be a hundred and 4 million pounds less than will be available can you imagine the consequences and what suffering that could mean
and would the Leader agree that one hundred four million pounds a year gap cannot simply be addressed by cuts reorganising our working better together
only if the Scottish Government face up to their responsibility to fund these services properly in the disastrous timebomb be stopped so will the Leader agree to write to the Scottish Government and ask them to address their responsibilities now so that our residents will be able to access the care that they will need in the years to come

[Cllr Adam McVey (Scottish National Party) - 0:39:15]

thank you opposed them have been in frequent contact with the Scottish Government as the budget process continues i imagine i'll have
minimal conversations as we head towards the Budget announcement in december i think merely Council mean bases are a valid point about the NHS said at the Scottish Government has recently just given an additional 5 million i think to address some of those pressures and we are in discussions about how that split between the pressures of health and social care within the NHS itself then it chase feces enormous pressure and I whale will go and make representations to the Scottish Government on behalf of local authorities in general and particularly Edinburgh and trying to make sure we get our fair share i do recognise the challenge of the Scottish Government to make sure vital services and the NHS and I would add in the police and other vital services people
people depend on must be protected also
i'm happy to continue to make those same representations of continual misrepsentations not only as I see on
our local authority on all our vital services in Edinburgh and I expect them in December when we get the Scottish Government budget announcement that those services will hopefully
be protected as best they can be
controlled

[Cllr Robert Aldridge (Liberal Democrat) - 0:40:35]

thanks very much Lord Provost i think i'm going to break with tradition and acid concise question rather than because speech as part of my question
the Council Leader made reference in his answer to Councillor White to the pledge that was made on the cap of three percent on Council Tax increases
I just wonder whether the Leader could tell me where in either the manifesto of the SNP or their coalition partners Labour party was the pledge to introduce a new compost tax or garden waste and are charged

[Cllr Adam McVey (Scottish National Party) - 0:41:12]

thanks very much Lord promise and our manifesto set out our priorities and say the things that we were going to do and we didn't see them in terms of waste collection that this was going to be an area that we were going to protect our pledges were around service improvement our pledges were on minimising complaints from missed bins are our pledges were on making sure that every community hit the cleanliness standards that we expect so
people want to look at our manifesto and look at the the budget proposals that we've i think you'll find them entirely consistent
if people in his apologies wards or anywhere else has a concern with any of the proposals we've put forward I reiterate the point I made at the start they should get in touch with us and let us know if the
if the option on garden waste will cause significant issues for our communities for individuals this should let us know that so that we can take that into consideration with our Budget decisions early next year but if people don't get in touch and let us know then were
we're making the decision with far less information so I would encourage cancer old-age if he has an issue with that particular budget line to make sure his community response to the consultation
closure order

[Cllr Robert Aldridge (Liberal Democrat) - 0:42:35]

if I could just fall out Lord Provost i was unclear familiars answer as to whether it was a plan that was kept secret from the electorate that you have planned all along or whether or whether it's a brand new idea which has happened in the last six months perhaps a leader could explain that

[Cllr Adam McVey (Scottish National Party) - 0:42:58]

thank you we have no secret plans Lord Provost on anything where an open transparent administration and we published proposals and we get them views on them
in terms of the proposal being worked up by officers and then considered by the administration before for consultation it's one we desperately want to hear people's views on and if the people of Edinburgh think it's an equitable solution to part of the problem of improving that service and also dealing with are part of our Budget issue then that's what the people think if people have concerns we want them to let us know
Kingswood D

[Cllr Cammy Day (Labour) - 0:43:35]

I called promised got two questions a few at only the Committee but we're that regional new bethany trust commenced the annual yearly shelter program over thousand volunteers across our network of churches in the City pervades support and shelter to those who need it will the Council to join me and hopefully our housing community innovation and attainment on the shelters over this winter and see their excellent work in practice and second on the Council agree with me is that as we go through a difficult budget challenges as essential that our governments properly fund local government and they have Theresa May can find money for the DUP you can find it for local services in Edinburgh

[Cllr Adam McVey (Scottish National Party) - 0:44:14]

can I thank Councillor D for his question on the last point first absolutely let's not forget that the UK Budget comes before the Scottish one in the context that we will be setting our Budget obviously depends on the budget settlement from the Scottish Government and that budgets announcement in december massively depends still unfortunately on the decisions made by the UK Government so I would absolutely encourage the chancellor 2 m veins another billion pounds for this organisation just as it did the DUP ethic were far better deserve an overall Provost am on homelessness itself i think is commendable for our officers that in the last year three thousand three hundred ninety six people presented as homeless and only eighty one eighty one to highlight progress but only to one of those had slept rough the night before it does show that the support services that the advice services are on the whole working very well although I completely accept that one person's second on our streets as one absolutely too many and that the average i think through winter is our own fifty three which m was based on our street work so trinians and turning point and a bit of assessment i've already visited the Care shelter i think a few years ago the one of the centres in my ward and I went with a lot more than happy to do so again this winter would encourage other Members to do the same because it is harrowing
bringing back to reality of what some people in the city still have to go through and it's a sobering sobering thought when deciding things like our city budgets another crucial decisions that we have to take so happily attained with anyone else who wants to come along
because we are key

[Cllr David Key (Scottish National Party) - 0:46:09]

thanks Lord Provost apologies to lead on the lack of notice of the question was not a difficult one huddled thing for you
would the Leader join me in congratulating Councillor Lewis Ritchie who has been very recently nominated
for the herald's local politician of the Year award
thanks very much

[Cllr Adam McVey (Scottish National Party) - 0:46:29]

lord provost absolutely happy to join with everyone in the Chamber in congratulating Councillor Ritchie i'm glad i'm glad my nomination didn't get lost in the post and arrived so it can get

[Cllr Stephanie Smith (Conservative) - 0:46:49]

thank you our progress and I thank the Leader for his report I wonder if I could ask what Self directed support is the Council offering to eligible people when their social care needs are being assessed and what's being done to offer them more choice and control

[Cllr Adam McVey (Scottish National Party) - 0:47:02]

thanks very much for the question is
is a very pertinent question because I think and many people who bought a vaulted Edinburgh Service believe that part of our issue in part of why some of the issues have been component is the lack of self directed support as a major feature as has existed in other local authorities that is one of the things that were working on to try and make sure that becomes a much much bigger element of how we address our health and social care at Leeds on the specifics am happy to
write to kill or
get killed so henderson to directly on the substantive point I completely agree on the substance of it that is one of the major ways that we can essentially address a far better service provider far better service to the people of edinburgh and an imposing service which means more people can participate in this fantastic city

[Cllr Stephanie Smith (Conservative) - 0:47:55]

control line

[Cllr Kevin Lang (Liberal Democrat) - 0:48:00]

thank you Lord Provost the Leader of the Council be aware that his Deputy Councillor D is an active supporter of Anas Sarwar to become the next leader of the Scottish Labour party and last week on Scotland tonight's at mr sarwar said as Leader he would not support any coalitions involving his party and the SNP in Local Government so can I ask the Leader of the Council
can I
ask the Leader of the Council very simple question what contingency plans is he making
for the Ad Hoc contingency plans in the making for the dissolution of this administration if if Councillor D gets as we and this disaster as leader

[Cllr Adam McVey (Scottish National Party) - 0:48:43]

thank you a promise i didn't realize that kennedy was looking for an escape route actually buy documents are
obviously this administration were was to fill five years we've committed it to us to fill five years we have our programme that were both committed to delivering across Housing atrocity economy across transport is important for the city that this continues and will then either party would want to jeopardise the success that we're already having in the last four months
Councillor Neil Ross

[Cllr Neil Ross (Liberal Democrat) - 0:49:22]

thank you Lord Provost and I thank the Leader for his report I would like to commend it to the Leader the diligence of the Council's Internal Audit Team for highlighting a number of high risks to the Council and in particular
to seek his assurance that the significant weaknesses identified in the control and management of contractors
should receive urgent attention especially in view of the major project which will be undertaken perhaps next year to complete the tram line

[Cllr Adam McVey (Scottish National Party) - 0:49:54]

thank you very much happy to work with cancer rankin m
to strengthen that element is worth commending those that and a lot of work to
our audit and this Council actually does fairly well and gets a strong bill of health every everybody around so is testament not only to those at conduct the order and gives a thorough examination as an organisation but to those officers who are working
do india in the Finance Team and the resources team to make sure that we set the conditions for that audit to happen in such good terms as it does
Councillor Bridgeman

[Cllr Claire Bridgman (Scottish National Party) - 0:50:39]

with the Council Leader like to join me in commending our Treasury Management Team on the report that was passed last month were yet again our council officers are leading the way and local authority treasury management not only across scotland but are also the envy of many look liquor authorities across the UK

[Cllr Adam McVey (Scottish National Party) - 0:50:56]

thanks to a much lower price that absolutely routes and is worth a colleagues in the Chamber having discussions with other colleagues and other Local Authorities just to understand the scale of the budget challenge that other places have frankly we don't when a relatively strong position going into the next five years based on our base knowledge of budget assumptions over that time other Local Authorities are in a very different place in having to take very different decisions and it's because of the hard work of our Treasury Management Team of our Finance team and I would say of Councillor Rankin in particular in the last five years for leading that progress in leading this organisation to a very strong fitting that we are in a comparatively strong position

[Cllr Frank Ross (Scottish National Party) - 0:51:43]

we just like to congratulate Councillor Bridgman on our main contribution to this Chamber

[Cllr Nick Cook (Conservative) - 0:51:54]

lord provost to refer to Education convenient response similar to my colleague Councillor Taggart
residents in my constituents in South morning say did indeed search area more generally are four years being promised a new primary school campus it does the Council Leader earlier for like me and a few of my ward colleagues I find it somewhat concerning that Education convenient doesn't appear to know where this new primary school as even to be sited in light of this comment how can
residents in periods of south Edinburgh every off any confidence in this Council that are still serious about delivering a new primary school in the Heads of education at this local authority doesn't even know whether applying to build it

[Cllr Adam McVey (Scottish National Party) - 0:52:41]

thanks very much not everyone City geography can be as good as cancer kicks cause because of cook's officers served in two different wards
and gives them a far better understanding of where almost everything in the city is m in terms of confidence
i have absolute confidence in case a painting can Siddiqi to take forward the school building programme that we've played stew and they are getting on with doing
Councillor Munro

[Cllr Gordon Munro (Labour) - 0:53:09]

thank you Lord Provost A are welcome their leaders amounts to Council on the Budget consultation today and respect to the budget consultation will the Council Leader and his Deputy seek meetings at the highest levels to meet robust representations together and the case for edinburgh to be fully and properly funded and these robust representations will be made the case for one restoration of the block grant and a minimum argument for standstill given that last year the Scottish Government received more than the previous year on the block grant from Westminster I do hope the PAR answer it's Westminster's fault when it was Holyrood's choice to cut council funding will not be deployed and robust representations to put the case will be made secondly
secondly asked the end these robust representations to push the Scottish Government to finally take a decision on Council Tax either it should form a replacement or even just implementation of recommendations made a marco biagi report commissioned by the scottish government or local government reform thoughtfully to argue for post tenable Edinburgh to introduce a tourist tax and a levy or other forms of charging in the absence of any substantial change in Council funding on the paucity of him
and footway report back to Council anti citizens veers report the outcomes of all meetings
they very much Lord Provost on the

[Cllr Adam McVey (Scottish National Party) - 0:54:39]

first point i've made a number of representations are representations not only have focused on the funding formula and the funding level which are two important aspects in relation to end because there is more than one way to this can occur m
but on essentially driving forward what would be in the best interest of Edinburgh and I have made those representations and will keep doing it
on the powers of revenue raising similar saw Edinburgh's in a very different position to other local authorities and that the revenue raising powers that we would like
workplace parking levies mentioned that our Programme tourist levy is mentioned in our program these are two things i'll consistently make representations for i would see them in order to make those efforts as effective as possible is probably not in the best interest for me to report back every time i speak to the Scottish Government but that I do so based on the outcomes that we are getting from those discussions are more than happy as we get progress and the coming years to help deliver our programme of course are bringing a paper came sought to get buy in for those hard for wins
Councillor Cameron
thank you Lord Provost
and the Council Leader and fellow Councillors will be aware that time we're currently undergoing a lot of work to develop our economic

[Cllr Lezley Marion Cameron (Labour) - 0:56:01]

strategy for inclusive growth my question relates to the rule of co-operatives and small businesses in that pursuit firstly with the Council Leader and agree with me and welcome the contribution that the Cooperative party and wider movement have meat in
developing consumer law shops and Enterprise Zone by customers and also the important work that they have done for community groups not just throughout Scotland but
also the wager you key for example and the cooperative movement is doing a big project on loneliness with the British grade Cross and in Scotland and with the Council Leader make the appropriate representation to colleagues the Scottish Government to find out what more the Cooperative Development Scotland originally set up by the Labour Lib Dem run Scottish Government can do to make sure that we increase significantly the size of the cooperative and mutual sector in Edinburgh's economy so that we do meaningfully make out economy fear the second part of my question relates to small business and in particular Small Business Saturday which is happening on Saturday the second of december will the Council Leader commit the Council to participating meaningfully in supporting and promoting the value and importance of the small business sector to our city and why did economy thank you Lord Provost

[Cllr Adam McVey (Scottish National Party) - 0:57:18]

thanks for the questions and i hope of martyrdom tonal correctly in terms of Small Business Saturday absolutely the Council will be supporting those efforts as we do every year and also it would be taken
more time than usually rude to go through them some local fantastic businesses in leith Summit do some early Christmas shopping in some of the fantastic places have got down by the shore nodded encouraging everyone else not the solid to go to your own local independent retailers but we certainly worth a promotion Lord Provost
in terms of light
in terms of the cooperative movement more than happy to them to welcome their existence for one hundred years
according movement has been important that it is still important i think to develop models where people buy into the success of the companies that they worked for and we have a fantastic example top of the history of such an organisation which has flourished in the country and has become an absolute steeple pen of The City of Edinburgh
more than happy to next
meeting with the relevant Minister Cabinet Secretary or Councillor body or yourself for meeting the
relevant Minister to raise issues of how best we can support those types of models to develop further and in Scotland
that's what that was

[Cllr Scott Douglas (Conservative) - 0:58:46]

you have promised
to ask how many people assessed as needing care where the Council had been offered self-directed support options what proportion of the total are they how many have chosen an SCS option and finally what is being done to identify and quantify future demand

[Cllr Adam McVey (Scottish National Party) - 0:59:03]

thank you so much more than happy to get the detailed figures to cancel Douglas m. The broad answer is too few and fallen on from cancer SMEs question absolutely this is how we should be going down some poorer people with their own care needs and actually when we lose a bit of control as are centralised focus and give people that control actually we fail to make better decisions often and decisions that are
better in terms of controlling the budget to make sure that's
easier control so that the products is too few but more than happy to get the individual
numbers to you if you could email me those specific questions that really helpful
Councillor Mitchell

[Cllr Max Mitchell (Conservative) - 0:59:53]

lord provost and wanting to ask what's the councils and to involve carers and designing flexibility and choice into the Self directed support and care systems

[Cllr Adam McVey (Scottish National Party) - 1:00:03]

again I know offhand the actions that we've taken part of the m in response to the three questions just cancer Smith and Councillor Douglas and part of the carriageway of people to use after acted sport will be able to identify and actions Arretine can take to help better enable people to use that as an option we very much see it as part of the solution and are going to work to that if I can submit your wants to know more information about actions that have already taken up is getting more information on that although I have to say it hasn't been enormously successful to date and so that's why we're working to develop new actions to try and make sure more people are able to use that empowered method of care and so maybe more substantial Mawrth while if a share of the developing the action points are aimed at developing
Councillor Johnson

[Cllr Andrew Johnston (Conservative) - 1:01:03]

lord provost we've had a number of questions already on the Self directed support an answer thus far has been i don't know so i'm going to give the Council another chance what does the Council due to find out whether clients and carers understand information they are receiving about care and self directed support does everyone who needs

[Cllr Adam McVey (Scottish National Party) - 1:01:21]

information gets it and at the right time
thanks Lord Provost it's m maybe the WEP needs a little bit of help with her
at whether choreography m slightly in terms of how the Conservatives or dinner questions m more than happy to get individual information about the actions taken but I reiterate the same point that of no meter think three times in terms of these are not good enough and we need to do more we need to do
better in terms of the number of people more than happy to get information on that and some of the actions being taken and being delivered again more have more than happy to get information on that
our priorities following the recommendations of the Care Inspectorate report and part of that as identified a very long list of actions which we can address the issues that we've got so more than happy to get called simpler Lord Provost Act encourages more people and add to that the same will respond to cancer Smith in case of Douglas habit include Councillor Johnson or not
if the Leader is happy i was going to ask Councillor Henderson perhaps

[Cllr Ricky Henderson (Labour) - 1:02:38]

to go this was going to solve problems such as those above a theme
emerging on on Self directed support so and I wonder just say a few words
which may help might not and self directed support is very much an important part of the picture to try and resolve some of the challenges that we face and a 0 people who are assessed as needing care service are entitled to use the Self directed support options and we are legally obliged to promote those options and we do shall and and the number of direct payments through self-directed support has steadily increased over the years given us the evidence that the guys that I was working although the recent Audit Scotland report criticized all councils for not doing enough to promote the SDS options that we need to have another look at that and do what we can in response the one note of caution I would prefer that this would not resolve all the challenges that we face because once a person is assessed as needing a care service i know they should show decide that they wish to exercise their rates on their SDS now only take them to a budget that is equivalent to the service that would be provided by the by the Council at the contract place and we have having difficulty sourcing those care packages outlined contract place and that certificate that providers are facing across the city that are criminal and retention of staff at that places a challenge for them and that is leading a lot that the ways that we're facing so in a way we would be transferring that challenge to the people who need the care service and their families so they would then be faced with trying to find a service but they are entitled to do so if they can find an appropriate service or to meet their needs by using an allocated budget and then a total to do so and we would support them in that process

[Cllr Frank Ross (Scottish National Party) - 1:04:22]

just before we go into the next question I think just to reiterate what the council leader said there is obviously a theme developing over four or five questions which were quite detailed and quite technical and it would be advantageous if elected members want to get
a proper response if advanced notifications of these schemes were given to the Council Leader I think it would be a more productive use
total brown

[Cllr Mark Brown (Conservative) - 1:04:49]

o provost
I read with interest a recent online commentary relating to the Council lidos Fosse one hundred these in the role
although one had to be on the ball to ensure they call all of it before a hastily amended version took his place
it was a case of spot the difference is a paragraph made its way into the editors recycling bin that a few of us of initial publication
does the Council Leader outwith this punch and Judy theatre of politics possibly with his comments that the Conservatives are reading the prejudice on your sleeve whether it's ageism sexism homophobia
or me I allow him on this very platform the opportunity to offer an apology to myself and my group for this unhelpful then my opinion wholly inflammatory comment unbecoming of a fellow Councillor never mind the Council Leader thank you

[Cllr Adam McVey (Scottish National Party) - 1:05:46]

they very much Lord Provost m there was an amended Article there was an error in article m
because
it was corrected m i was on air yeah
in terms of the substantive point i'll make two points m
in terms of the comments that I made in context in july which Councillor
bones Farron 2
do I consider the Conservative party parts of where people can wear the prejudice honesties get away with it absolutely absolutely when Boris Johnson equates equal mileage to the mileage between three men and a dog and is promoted to foreign secretary after it with
not a shred of condemnation from anyone who was a member of the party I consider homophobic and I consider it being able to wear your prejudice on your sleeve and we will
when Douglas Ross if that example is too far away when Douglas Ross in the northeast when Douglas Ross in the northeast can run a sustained attack against the human rights of gypsy travellers as a Councillor and then promoted and get away with it and sustained promotion after promotion I consider a party where people can wear their prejudice on their sleeves and get away with it when kathleen lending
when kathleen vast too far away let's go Kathleen lenzie who's a coastal and are bordering local authority who described the First Ministers are hike do I consider a sexist comment that she got away with by being promoted has an equality representative of that party absolutely I consider being able to bring your prejudice on your sleeve and get away with it and was that a charade
was there a shred of even condemnation was there are shades of even this is something that should be challenged when the room council leader stuart up my first leaders and asked me a personalised question clearly directed at my age there wasn't even a shred of doubt they had done the right thing amongst the Conservative party Group can I mention another point level because
the question I do actually think was a fed into comments I meet in July I think it was referring to comments made by Councillor McLellan in the evening news in October and i've become somewhat reluctantly Lord Provost autovolantor with it something of a muse for Councillor McLellan because he's them i think auditioning for the position of an official biographer because he's mentioned me and around half his contributions in the evening use has paid contributions which is paid thousands of pounds a year for but that is a matter of the site's he's mentioned me about half the amount of time that he's actually written and I would just say that the position of official biography of me still open anyone cares to apply and I would just see that you avoid
you'll criteria of application if you avoid hypocrisy
if you avoid using them somewhat distasteful and sometimes sexual imagery when describing me and if you stick to avoiding distorting reality then you'll qualify we'll have to see my unofficial biographer on those terms need not apply
total Gardiner
thank you

[Cllr Derek Howie (Scottish National Party) - 1:09:29]

thank you Lord Provost

[Cllr Neil Gardiner (Scottish National Party) - 1:09:36]

I note that the motion brought forward by one of my fellow Councillors for the appellant helps about Heriot Watt University and its running of the international university of the year
council leader would you agree with me that it's somewhat ironic that this is being brought forward by a Conservative party counsellor as that is the party of Brexit are
and that Brexit will be undermining
on undermining harriet wants international status by putting its european union students and academics earth threat and
council leader can you confirm to me that you will do all you can to

[Cllr Adam McVey (Scottish National Party) - 1:10:21]

support EU citizens in this worrying time
can I thank Councillor Gardiner and for his question is an important point that our universities
are internationally renowned are still able to function in the Thames that they do not only been able to attract foreign students to come and study in this fantastic city but also attract the best and the brightest academic minds from across the world to come and work here and further enrich our educational offer the Russell Group has been very clear on the impact of Brexit and the issues that have to be identified through this process we are now counting Lord Provost unfortunately years rather than months from the referendum and these institutions are no further forward and understanding the impact they will have for them and that is not just a point for the university sector is a point for all elements of our economy information is not flowing negotiations are stalling and we are getting to a point where a hard Brexit is looking like our reality I was reading an article today on a bit of assessment which the UK government has refused to publish they've done their own economic impact assessment on different rex options they have refused to publish it that kept behind closed doors mainly because they've read it and probably don't want everyone to go careening towards a second EU referendum as a result
but that impact shows even with a soft Brexit our city economy will suffer to the tune of billions of pounds it could be as high as five and a half billion pounds and our heart breaks at model these are serious issues these are serious times and we need all politicians both those who speak for the city and those who speak for our country and those who speak across the UK to get on board with trying to find solutions to these we can't just ignore these as issues we have to stand by on the last point Councillor Gardiner made on EU nationals i'm about to write to the UK Government on protecting their position following a motion that Councillor deny passed at the copepods in strategic committee
earlier this month and I am more than happy to share that later across the Chamber from the centre
i'm not taking any more new names for questions to the Leader have for elected Members to finish off and that will be the end of leaders questions for today cancer

[Cllr Hal Osler (Liberal Democrat) - 1:12:46]

thank you for progress and a recent announcement by
the Edinburgh base build care homes will be closing all 12 its residential homes in scotland due to financial pressures what assurances can the Leader of the Council give that more closures will not follow from other providers for the same reasons and what assistance is being provided to rehoming individuals affected by the Bill closures in Edinburgh

[Cllr Adam McVey (Scottish National Party) - 1:13:08]

thank for much longer can commit the motivation is working hard to make sure that people of faith
are not adversely affected and having learned a lesson from the coordinated attacks on the Conservative party how they go past and its causes are invested in terms of the detailed part of cancer also question

[Cllr Ricky Henderson (Labour) - 1:13:29]

Councillor Pryke said that we did on Council also and I have a meeting with other colleagues were set interim Chief Officer tomorrow to discuss this very issue we will get some more detailed seller this stage can offer any assurance is the other organisations won't be somewhere affected and we have been who have been hurt by Care organisations withdrawing from Edinburgh over the past two or three years and having to deal with the consequences and should people be left in need them will do our best to support them or make sure that there's an update provided for Councillor Oslo and other colleagues as soon as we have more information
COUNCILLOR work

[Cllr Norman Work (Scottish National Party) - 1:14:03]

thank you very much Lord Provost and if
i mí are sought to Park question to the Leader all on the same subject
thank you for your indulgence them
is a early though as delightful as elected as I am
0is delightfully is the leaflet
oil diffuser is illegal as the Lib desire but that isn't a vote in the Scottish Parliament about fracking and the reason I ask that Grayshon Islamic toward the ward I represent still has a lot she'll on the ground it has a history of she'll meaning and I must say in part of the Commission then we'd be a g. agree with me you'd like to Conservatives a lot in charge of the Scottish Government and
this Council as a risk to health and environment not just of the people namond warned of the whole of Edinburgh
nor do the whole of scotland so the Conservatives are bad for the people of Leeds what bad for the environment and bad for Edinburgh and Scotland thank you

[Cllr Adam McVey (Scottish National Party) - 1:15:08]

thank for much slower progress goes to say no one is as delightful as Councillor work
in terms of fracking we did have an existing policy in this Council which was a presumption against and i'm delighted that the Scottish Parliament
led by the Scottish Government has banned every party supporting that major because they understand the harm she to every party barwaan because they understand the harm that would be caused to our environment am on to the communities actually that would be faced with that as has happened in other parts of the world have
engaged
the Scotland's economy is world leading in many ways and carbon emissions and to call it just simply straightforwardly another energy boom and burn as much as we can I think would have been
counterproductive in our obligations internationally to try and not only cement the progress that the Scottish Government has already made but build on it to make sure Scotland becomes if not the quickest one of the quickest countries in the world to get to a zero carbon economy so I am absolutely delighted with the Scottish Government proposal and I do share Council works belief that other parties were not in charge to take a different decision
Councillor Bruce

[Cllr Graeme Bruce (Conservative) - 1:16:37]

sorry no further questions
Councillor Webber
thanks Lord Provost just actually in response to the comment you made

[Cllr Susan Webber (Conservative) - 1:16:47]

about the detail and the specificity of the questions that have come from the Conservative group this morning is the Leader aware that these questions are actually freely available under suggested questions by audit scotland that they ask Councillors to ask about our care services to ensure that effectively
serviced and provided locally considering your vague answers on your ability to explain any detail can the Leader explain therefore why the Edinburgh City public should have any confidence in his and his administration's ability to solve the problems are there clearly in health and social care that he still refuses to acknowledge amount to a crisis

[Cllr Adam McVey (Scottish National Party) - 1:17:26]

thank you as a Member for the tip of reading the Audit Scotland report to get the Conservative questions are did think they were a bit too advanced
for the muslim are coming forward i should have suspected something was promised that they were sourced elsewhere are more than happy to as I said get the details the point is this we have a service that is in
a difficult financial position partly because in fact exclusively because of the pressures feces we took decisive action when there were issues in terms of the management and structure of the organisation and its that that we are working to resolve we are working to make sure that when people experience the service they get the care they get the help that they need that's partly about the budget which were addressing through this Budget consultation as partly about the management in the leadership and the structure of the organisation and we've already taken decisive action on that subject and it is partly about the details of how many people in what circumstance and that's exactly what we're looking to address what also looking to support and that's why will have an issue with one of the motions put forward i came sadok arts at later on we also have an issue to address in terms of support for the staff because if we don't support the staff adequately lose in that service area we are not going to get anywhere near the level of service the quality of service that people in edinburgh deserve which is why we have an issue with Councillor Dorcas motion later on the agenda always looking for the absolute lowest cost we're taking a holistic approach that doesn't mean necessarily that every figures in my head council website if you give me advance of whichever Audit Scotland question your plagiarising anyone time i'll be able to give you that information
that brings to an end we just questions

Item 8.1 - Edinburgh Integration Joint Board – Appointment of Chief Officer and Heads of Service

[Cllr Frank Ross (Scottish National Party) - 1:19:16]

there are no appointments item seven approach to item 8 as a report

[ Allan McCartney (Clerk) - 1:19:26]

surface visa 8 point 1 As the appointment of chief officer and heads of service for the Integration Joint Board

Item 8.2 - Governance for the Edinburgh and South East of Scotland City Region Deal – Joint Committee

thank you

Item 8.3 - Locality Committees 2017

Item 8.2 - Governance for the Edinburgh and South East of Scotland City Region Deal – Joint Committee

I commit point to as the governance arrangements for the City region Deal Joint Committee and are given Addendum has been circulated
Councillor McVie are you going to move the report

[Cllr Adam McVey (Scottish National Party) - 1:19:54]

tory more than how sorry apologies will produce more than happy to move the report this is an important and an important step forward
and I say due process to make sure we've got the governance arrangements in the management arrangements of the Project Air Management Office for example and the governance arrangements say exactly how the councils are going to work together to deliver on the key priorities within the City Deal and have a good engaged with the university sector of course is a major plank of innovation and technology that is driving forward economic growth that we expect to see from the City Deal and i'm hoping this will have a passport are more than happy to accept the Green addendum which they will move after m i moved the report bomb-happy to move the report low path
the second panel of Provost
indem should be moved

[Cllr Gavin Corbett (Scottish Green) - 1:20:55]

thanks Lord Provost M been re-briefed the L discussions City Deal was was very promising or in the role that their social enterprise sector in particular make plea and shipping the settee due and that's got a wee bit last is as the dual came towards agreement the third sector as a whole necessity accounts for two and a half billion worth of GDP employs tens of thousands of staff and nights in Edinburgh lawn not taking account of the five Local Authority partners we have such a huge contribution to a city region economy so that a report is due to come to corporate policy and strategy and December anyway says is simply saying and not report let's make sure we recognise the potential role of the third sector and shaping and delivering night that City Deal
but the second
formally second
I six separate them

[Cllr Frank Ross (Scottish National Party) - 1:21:51]

thank you so the decision is the recommendations were the inclusion of

[ Allan McCartney (Clerk) - 1:21:54]

the of the gideon addendum item
I did say earlier that it was going to call another stenographer isn't physically in the room but there are still a stenographer somewhere taping in
irrespective of where you are you still require the break

[Cllr Frank Ross (Scottish National Party) - 1:22:08]

so i know the next item is likely to have
perhaps a longer debate than the previous two reports so I think just now would be an appropriate point to have a small recess and also just Chief Execs just advised me that that has a currently Waverley Court has been evacuated due to small fire
which would think was in the kitchen that create their underscore just be aware that if you're trying to contact staff or wherever they may be on the street so we'll have or will have our if we come back at quarter to twelve

Item 8.2 - Governance for the Edinburgh and South East of Scotland City Region Deal – Joint Committee

ok thank you everybody
there are seats

[Cllr Frank Ross (Scottish National Party) - 1:24:59]

and we will
and back to the court to restart the order of business and Q

Item 8.3 - Locality Committees 2017

[ Allan McCartney (Clerk) - 1:25:15]

thank you approach the next agenda item as the report on the Council to commit his 20 seventeen A 2 points to draw to your attention at to recommendation 1 1 point 1 The paragraph reference to end the principles says three points to the that of course should be 3 point 4 and which was a typo and they wake ways then the there is a joint Conservative Green A amendment which has been circulated by Councillor Mowat on Council Staniforth and again are expected that should review its three point four main of adjustment

[Cllr Adam McVey (Scottish National Party) - 1:25:54]

thanks very much Lord Provost happy to move the M report this is an important strand of our programme to devolve local decision making across our four quadrants in the city and make sure that our decision making is aligned with other key partners in the NHS and Police and organise ourselves in a way that maximises our ability to meet the needs of the people of Edinburgh and there are two important points to the locality report itself one is the establishes next month that report to come back which will nail down the details of the locality committees themselves this is an important step forward in the organisational restructuring of the Council itself from the last few years became so husband reorganising our officer area services into localities and it's important that we create and locality committees to measure and provide oversight to those existing Council structures to make sure that decisions are already been taken locally by officers have that democratic oversight and influence that people expect it's also important to create these committees to provide a local vehicle a substantive local vehicle for people to engage with to help better influence the decisions that the Council are taking that are relevant to their lives so that a report coming back in a month's time from this report will give us the opportunity to formal car to Committees as a matter of urgency to allow them to get on with the important work the other strand of this report is on the community planning and community engagement site which is absolutely crucial if were to succeed again along with our partners the NHS the GP that have talked a lot about today are already organized into four quadrants and by allowing the community plans to develop in a quadrant approach rather than the previous neighbourhood partnership approach well i think give better more confidence in the decision making that's taken place not only in terms of Council services but in terms of services that are relevant for addressing the problems and things like alcohol and things like Health more generally and better align all partners to one strand of policy one strand of outcomes which will help us meet those ambitious seems that we have for our communities
that is essentially the substance of this report I was hoping that this report would be able to be agreed by consensus Lord Provost administration worked very quickly to provide a report to this Council that could get buy in from all parties I believe this support can get buy in from all parties even at the stage with the amendment put down the
it is disappointing that when the administration is open and willing to engage with other parties about the content of the support that the opposition parties were not willing to be sought open and so transparent and engage with administration on similar terms and drafted an amendment that disappointment said Lord Provost we are happy to accept the addendum or amendment sorry put forward by the Conservatives with the with a slight change in wording to change
and I will find it
to change the words to agree
in the first two years
just cammusic kerbs
talk amongst yourselves
and to change the words to agree to add
the following principle and 1 point 1 of the identity of the amendment to to agree to consider adding the following principal and with that a slight change to the amendment we hope the opposition can accept
can accept that two word chains to bring us back to a consensus Lord Provost because these structural changes of Council ideally shouldn't be done on the casting vote or by a margin of one they should be done with everyone in the Chamber agreeing a way forward so I hope with that slight amendment of where the opposition amendment we can proceed on that basis
and to second Councillor Wilson

[Cllr Donald Wilson (Labour) - 1:30:24]

thank you Lord Provost I also am disappointed that were having this debate and
they
easy to think that this has to be some sort of new process that would engage them here that it is worth going back to the first principles on this and looking at The Christie Commission and what we're trying to do here is increased community participation in the democratic process and also to localised decentralised decision making to local areas and I do believe that everybody hold size to kind of holy grail of what we're attempting to do in Edinburgh has indeed done this
first
at several stages in its history those of us with longer memories can
think back to when we created the Local Development Committee's who were the first authority to do such a thing and then we created the Neighbourhood Partnerships know we've learned many lessons over the years since then and this is our latest attempt to decentralise decision-making that's what we're trying to do it's a great principle and it's unfortunate that we can fall out and in a political way
on the various aspects of this so i think really what's at stake here is there is the process and I was very pleased that that this was deferred to the Culture and Communities for further discussion I think the discussion that we can have on all of these things will be a much fuller one much fewer time constraints culture and communities so that is the natural place for this to sit and I think it's artificial to pluck out this one aspect of the consultation to set that in tablets of stone know when in fact we are engaged in the review of the whole thing to come back to the next Culture and communities and then to the full council in november so I don't think we should be pulling their so it
needs a full debate and discussion on the nature of the convener of
of the localities it was felt necessary to appoint the Conveners because these are setting up new Committees and we need people to drive this forward if you think that all Convener does is convened a meeting chaired the meeting then to have it done annually would mean that each gardiner would cheerfully four or five in the year and that would be it but that is of course not does the champion driver for localisation
partnership working and taking the whole Council 4
point of order Lord Provost what Convener is being referred to
if you're raising a point of order can you please identify which

[Cllr Jim Campbell (Conservative) - 1:33:01]

element of Standing Orders erasing the point of order
I am not aware of any convenience in locality rules just note i don't know what's been referral to

[Cllr Frank Ross (Scottish National Party) - 1:33:14]

you have you may have a difference of opinion you do not have a Standing you do not have a point of order under Standing Order sorry consumables

[Cllr Donald Wilson (Labour) - 1:33:19]

what we need is people in the localities in order to drive these forests at a time when the structure is being built and this is not an ordinary time in the future of the localities this is the inception of the localities it's a very crucial and vital raw it's not part-time thing it's a very permanent on full time job so if we're going to progress these things we need to have people to progress them it's more than just chairing a few meetings it's a very important issue it's not one that we should be deciding absolutely here now it's one that we should be taking up as part of the general discussion and review that we've already agreed at the cultural communities should be the way forward coming back to the full council in november moved the report

[Cllr Frank Ross (Scottish National Party) - 1:34:06]

firstly closer you heard a proposed changing of words to the Conservative Green amendment are you willing to accept

[Cllr Joanna Mowat (Conservative) - 1:34:21]

you wish to move the Conservative Green joint amendment
yes i'm happy to move the Conservative and Green
trying to amendment
we had today about wanting to drive this forward three consensus
well you will have noticed that there is one very tiny amendment here it is on a very important principle but it is one amendment we have accepted the rest of the report and we've accepted that consensus however it seems right to myself on this side of the A room think greens on the other side of the room that as a principal who the Convener is should be except should be decided from amongst the number of that organisation these will be the locality of committees I think this is a fundamental democratic principle that if we are devolving power into localities then they should choose who their leader should be we have said on an annual basis which gives the opportunity for different things to sort out I would expect in the fullness of time that there will be a review and a maturity of the locality committees so these things could be debated if that is proven not to work however the fundamental principle that the convenience should be selected from amongst the number of those people on that committee is absolutely non-negotiable as far as we're concerned and our friends in this case across the across the Chamber are also concerned
I find it astonishing that having had Neighbourhood Partnerships where this principle was well established that we should be that the administration should be proposing a retrograde step and indeed have carried out the retrograde step of appointing senior Councillors in leadership positions for the localities
rather than allow these to be come out of the locality issues I do not see how we can go out to our communities and say that we are devolving decision making that we want this to be more inclusive and more involved but we shall keep the appointment of your Leader for ourselves at the center of the Committee so that is all we are asking to do that each locality shall appoint their own Convener from amongst their number which will be initially all those Councillors who will have on in that locality who will be on the locality committees I moved the motion
current cancer Staniforth

[Cllr Alex Staniforth (Scottish Green) - 1:37:03]

thank you Lord Provost as Councillor Mowat said it is a crucial part of devolution that localities should select their own Conveners and Vice Conveners it is crucial that locality committees have the respect and support of their Conveners and vice versa you they Conveners and Vice Conveners must have their respect and support and you know that makes me wonder why the coalition are so nervous about this do they think that their choice for locality Leader won't become locality Convener if they need the respect and support of their locality i'm especially curious about that considering their position only exists owing to Councillor mcveigh's uncanny ability to choose a larger random number out of a hat than Councillor White i think this is utterly ridiculous the idea that we shouldn't consider local Conveners a crucial part of devolution to local areas of course it is and as Councillor Mowat says we have been very consensual on this with the administration is only on this point that we differ and you know in negotiations sometimes you have red lines that you do not cross I would expect an adult's administration to understand that so I second this
amendment Lord Provost

[Cllr Frank Ross (Scottish National Party) - 1:38:27]

to ensure older
thank you Lord Provost earn

[Cllr Robert Aldridge (Liberal Democrat) - 1:38:32]

funding to support the amendment by the Conservative and Greens m i too am disappointed that we are having this debate
it should have come as no surprise to the administration certainly of our Group and I think both the other groups have been absolutely clear and absolutely every single meeting we have attended that it is a fundamental principle of localities which we wish to pursue that the Convenership should be selected from within those in that locality that every locality must reflect those who voted in that area and be able to take decisions in a slightly different way about the way policies are carried out in their area according to the views of people in that area so i am i'm quite happy and that the details we will get at or in a report to the next meeting but what we were agreeing today and it's a fundamental part of the paper before us today are the principles on which that paper will be built and a fundamental principle of that is that the Conveners shall be elected by the by those within the locality not elected by some other body so we are absolutely clear that this is a matter of principle and therefore it is perfectly appropriate for it to be dealt with in the paper today are not a matter of technical operation
Councillor McVey in in his proposal did
mentioned that he was surprised that there had been no kind of prior a discussion about this amendment I would remind him that this paper was a very very late paper indeed based on a paper which had been circulated to the SNP Group I don't know whether it went to the Labour Group as well that none of the opposition parties had had access to and that was amended at the last minute when Councillor McVie returned from holiday after some some rushed phone calls so it's not been the most
open and transparent of processes up till now and if we are seeking consensus it needs to be a lot more transparent and we need to try and go forward on the basis of a consensus and clarity on one of the principles is that the Convenership of the localities should reflect those that are
are represented in that locality so we will be supporting the amendment process

[Cllr Frank Ross (Scottish National Party) - 1:41:15]

total rich
thank you very much lacrosse so wants to be furlong

[Cllr Lewis Ritchie (SNP) - 1:41:19]

relic confused by some of the debate that i've held thus far i there's a lot of talk about disappointment and principles but from what I could understand from my friends and colleagues in the opposition benches is that the principle that matters most to them is not what powers do these committees have who is part of these committees how did he devolve themselves how the community get involved in that the principle that matters most is who actually gets to leave those committees now what we have seen is that we want to put this out to meaningful consultation a full consultation with the public so that we come out with local committees that don't get amended alone in time like what can surmount suggests but start on a firm footing and uninformed by and led by the public of which they are designed to serve so if we talk about principles i think that is the surest principle or not who actually ends up leading it and which I think has

[Cllr Frank Ross (Scottish National Party) - 1:42:11]

been drawn up on party basis and party lines
I have no other indications from Members wishing to participate in the debate
now in which case ask Councillor MCVIE to right of reply if he could make it clear in his right of reply exactly what is being proposed it would be helpful

[Cllr Adam McVey (Scottish National Party) - 1:42:36]

thanks very much the promises even have it in front of me m Councillor Mowat said this is only one tiny bit of the motion and therefore will reach more or less a consensus I would see my slight amendment that amendment is only eleven lighters Lord Provost so we're very very close and deter consensus if only consumer and Councillor Staniforth just agree to our constructive way forward and we don't consider that particular section to be one of the founding principles of these committees because as Councillor Ritchie is highlighted the funding principles are more far more important in terms of what will they do the remit their decision making ability that's far more important to us than this there are also more elements to consider on that particular matter for instance how those decisions that locality committees will be reflected and by this Council meeting if indeed it needs to be so there are other things that need to come out of that we feel and the two Ward change m which are to 1 point 1 To add the words consider after to agree to and to add anything to the word add Allen letters long and
we think that's the most constructive pragmatic way forward to get to where we need to be which is a report in a month's time which sets out very very clearly not only the principles of these local committees already today but the mechanics of how that devolution of power is going to take place I think the process has been open and transparent less support was shared before it was published and with the opposition and comments were invited and no opposition party submitted a comment that they wanted to be included in the principle so I am happy to move that amendment
the report accepting the amendment with this slight change to 1 point 1
and are more than happy to move this administration's position

[ Allan McCartney (Clerk) - 1:44:47]

the division bell will now be rung and the vote will be in one minute

[ Allan McCartney (Clerk) - 1:45:49]

applause item 8 point 3 years to report locality Committees 20 seventeen emotionas from the coalition is moved by Councillor MCVIE second mccombs to wilson its to approve the recommendations incorporating the text from the amendment with the adjustment at 1 point 1 turkey to consider adding the following principal etc the Joint amendments from the Conservative and getting groups as moved by Councillor Mowat secondments Council Staniforth and has been circulated those in favour of the Joint amendment
2 and for the motion as adjusted
they have to 1 the amendment is approved

Item 8.4 - Audited Annual Report 2017 of the Lothian Pension Fund, Lothian Buses Pension Fund and Scottish Homes Pension Fund including Annual Report by External Auditor

[ Allan McCartney (Clerk) - 1:46:43]

agenda Item 8 point 4 As or a fellow report from the Pensions Committee on the various pension funds on your report
the report agreed

Item 8.5 - City of Edinburgh Council - 2016-7 Annual Audit Report to the Council and the Controller of Audit - referral from the Finance and Resources Committee

[Cllr Frank Ross (Scottish National Party) - 1:46:58]

[ Allan McCartney (Clerk) - 1:47:00]

as agree then Item 8 point 5 I second referral from the Finance and Resources Committee on the Annual Audit report for the Council

[Cllr Frank Ross (Scottish National Party) - 1:47:15]

that refer to agreed

[ Allan McCartney (Clerk) - 1:47:18]

thank you

Item 9.1 - Motion by Councillor Lang – Dalmeny Station

agenda Item inane is motions are the first one is from Council lying on a dominant station and coalition amendment has been circulated

[Cllr Kevin Lang (Liberal Democrat) - 1:47:33]

nationally
thank you very much Lord Provost i'm very grateful for this opportunity to bring the matter of DEL many station before the Council here this morning or even this afternoon and my motion with Councillor Young and seek to do two things one to address a problem which is an issue right now but perhaps even more importantly is sticking to address a problem before it becomes even worse in the future and let's be clear what action the problems which we are seeing at Dalmeny station risk becoming severe with significant knock-on impacts for other parts of north west Edinburgh now for those who are not familiar with how many station at lie is no more than about two to three hundred metres south of the start of the fourth rail bridge and although it's cold Dalmeny I very much sits on the eastern edge of Queensferry no as the motion states out the station is first and foremost a great success story with rising passenger numbers as the populations of Queensferry an Kirkliston andal many have grown to
but the problem which we are seeing is one of access with limited bus connectivity and significant parking problems which impact upon local roads and those areas which should be reserved for residents indeed there are still yellow traffic cones which have sat around the station for almost two years now
we know that these are issues which the administration recognise and I know that in particular Councillor McKenna's agrees with me that we need to have these addressed after all the Local Development Plan which was voted through our own this time last year specifically references the need for improvements at the station and what Councillor Young and I are seeking to do today is inject some much-needed peace into the development of options and specific plans which can be consulted on properly with local residents and then action as appropriate because one year on from the passing of the LDP it does feel as though very little progress has been made and as each week passes it is a problem which is getting worse now Lord Provost I am clear that any plan must seek to maximise sustainable transport including new initiatives to encourage walking and cycling to the station equally we do need to look at the option of a proper connecting bus service between the station and Kirkliston perhaps through an extension of the still relatively new Lothian country forty three but we also need to develop solutions for parking because we are now seeing clear evidence of people choosing to drive into the centre of edinburgh because they cannot park at the station and this only adds to the congestion and pollution which plagues places like Barnton and the Queensferry route
and with the LDP schooling land for many thousands of new homes in the future we need to be planning now to try and prevent the further gridlock and misery in the years ahead now Lord Provost I know that there has been no are late submission from Councillor Booth suggesting and my motion that the request for a report within two cycles be increased to three cycles I recognise that offered a lot of these issues are not easy ones and are quite complicated ones to resolve and given that and despite there is some frustration over the length of time that is taken already I am happy to accept that suggestion from Councillor Bruce and so with the permission of the Council I would suggest star an addendum change to the motion that has been presented to change it 2 m three cycles and i'm with that Lord Provost I moved the motion in my name
the second cancer

[Cllr Louise Young (Liberal Democrat) - 1:51:43]

thank you very much slower progress at the irony was not lost on me this morning that I missed my Tree knocked down many station as I was trying to find somewhere to park my car so that I could come into the Council and discussed issues about down many station and indeed the car park now Dalmeny station is equally task 8 to the community and indeed is very popular with commuters it takes half the time to get into the City Centre and is obviously much better for the environment however if you're not the 40 to clock in the morning you're not going to get into the car park and the patients of neighbouring residents is indeed starting to wear thin now there is no direct bus service from communities like listen to the station and it did your best option is the Lothian bus that will take you aim runs less than once on there were which will take you to Queen civilians to leave you with a good fifteen minute walkers to at the other end so the M basically there's been comments in the amendment that there are some works under progress already and if that's the case then that's fantastic but it hasn't been widely communicated with a with local groups and with the community queues cancels untoward of any progress neither are the local Councillors or indeed the some of the council officials themselves and if that is progress that we need to be much more actively progressing this but if not then we need to be addressed in this as a matter of Urgency I second the motion thank you

[Cllr Frank Ross (Scottish National Party) - 1:52:59]

to move the caution amendment

[Cllr Lesley Macinnes (Scottish National Party) - 1:53:04]

thank you Lord Provost i met she happy to withdraw the coalition amendment because we've had she had some further discussions which touch on many of the points that Councillor ambitious disclaimed and i'm happy to accept the fact that we need to go back and look at some of the work which the fear has only been undertaken by some of the officials before but we do need to go back and reexamine some of those issues but would like to speak if you don't mind a couple of points that Councillor Lamb has raised here and
one of the issues about car parking around our many is where do those cars come from am and the exchange the extension of car parking will that encourage people who might be able to leave their cars further back on a real line for example in fife with that encourage them to come further in and cause further problems these are this is just one example of some of the issues that will need to be examined around in in this report to come forward and i've already agreed to meet with Councillor Lyons and I hope the other Local Ward Councillors who are affected or to discuss this matter in detail with officials and
clearly there is a need to expand that time as cancer lang has acknowledged from two cycles to the cycles and I will welcome the support coming back to the Transport Environment Committee thank you

[ Allan McCartney (Clerk) - 1:54:21]

so the motion is adjusted as approved

Item 9.2 - Motion by the Lord Provost - Daw Aung San Suu Kyi - Freedom of the City

ITEM 1 point 2 As motion by the Lord Provost dong son hugh G freedom of the City

[Cllr Frank Ross (Scottish National Party) - 1:54:37]

I think would be consensus amongst or the Chamber here but I think we need to just for the record quantify that
members will not be unaware of the fairly tragic situation that's happening and developing an mynamar as as we speak indeed over the last few weeks over half a million people have been displaced from Anamar to bangladesh predominantly as a result of actions of the armed forces in that area under the command of senior general minimum helene
so tremendously
upsetting situation and organisations such as united nations and amnesty are trying to monitor it but unfortunately at this time are unable to gain access to the country in a lot of their work that they are pulling together is from discussing with refugees now we know that
don't don't unsound suu kyi
was given the freedom of the City for some great work that she did in some
robustness in in supporting democracy in that part of the world and I am also aware of the fact that there are other cities who offered similar recognition have withdrawn that I do not believe that that is the correct course of action because I believe that this Chamber along with much of the rest of the western world believe that what we're trying to do here is actually influence the outcomes on the ground and removal of such an award while perhaps playing to the masses doesn't actually change anything so the motion in front of us here is to try and use our influence having given an award and recognise that to try and influence what's happening there on the ground and I would propose to do that in the form of a letter directly in that situation
Second
from thanks in farming

[Cllr Joan Griffiths (Labour) - 1:56:41]

is that great thank you

Item 9.3 - Motion by Councillor Child - Robert Owen Award for an Inspirational Educator

[Cllr Frank Ross (Scottish National Party) - 1:56:44]

i to 9 point 3 is a motion by Councillor child on the robber on award for an inspirational educator

Item 9.4 - Motion by Councillor Key - Spokes 40th Anniversary

thank you Lord Provost are not going to do this formally because I

[Cllr Maureen Child (Labour) - 1:57:04]

feel that this really does need to be celebrated and Lindsey what is indeed an inspirational educator she is one of the key people that have inspired and have enabled me to learn to grow in confidence and to develop as a ward Councillor her influence goes well beyond the gates of her school into the Craigmillar community and into this Council Chamber
Robert own in whose name they were dismayed said that to train and educate the rising generation will at all times be the first object of society to which every other will be subordinate
and lindsay said in her acceptance speech which I suggest you look up in google on and watch as i have lindsey will use this award to change the public perception of what it is to be a head teacher she says it's one of the best jobs in the world and I believe Councillor is one of the best jobs in the world to so she says to her colleagues spread the joy spread the joy of working in a school as head teacher and leading your community let's grow our pupils she says and the team around the children as future leaders that's our job to school leaders must ensure that their teams come to school whistling she says leave what's outside behind you and come to school and come to this Chamber whistling
things changed for lindsay when she took part in a columbia fourteen hundred training in two thousand and three
it changed for her because she learned about the concept of values based leadership she developed her own core values of integrity of perseverance and of service and she worked on herself
and in serving her community her pupils hard parents and create mother how school improved to improve beyond measure just read the 20 14
each A my I report on that school one of the best in scotland let alone one of the best in Edinburgh that sense of pride and belief that hard work and dedication can conquer almost everything is a lesson that I have learned and that we need to learn ourselves and if we let her own light shine we unconsciously give others permission to do the same so said nelson mandela and so should we be saying in leading our communities in our localities in our wards in our communities day in day out I pay tribute to the influence of lindsay what and I congratulate her warmly on this award

Item 9.3 - Motion by Councillor Child - Robert Owen Award for an Inspirational Educator

[Cllr Frank Ross (Scottish National Party) - 2:00:05]

the second demotion
Kit Campbell

[Cllr Kate Campbell (Scottish National Party) - 2:00:11]

thank you Lord Provost is thank you maureen as well that with an inspiring speech in a difficult one to follow but i'd like to second more in congratulating the on receiving this award the rubber I went award is not just for excellent teaching but for people whose work has had significant impact impact and has informed informed substantial educational improvements in Scotland
the deputy First Minister John Swinney has said he believes that lindsey's work had influenced system change in Scotland demonstrating clearly the vitally important role of Head teachers as empowered litres he also said he believed her work had contributed to the increasing interest in Scotland from international educationally
education is the foundation on which our entire society is built our children and young people are growing up and learning environments that are at the forefront of educational development because of lindsay and teachers like her we all know that young people are our future and the best way to invest in them as to have the best teachers with the best ideas on learning and education teaching them I think the whole Chamber would like to join me in thanking Lindsey for her enormous contribution to the children Act Castle View and to education in Scotland

[Cllr Frank Ross (Scottish National Party) - 2:01:23]

motion agreed

Item 9.4 - Motion by Councillor Key - Spokes 40th Anniversary

1 point 4 to motion mercosur key on spokes 40th anniversary

[Cllr David Key (Scottish National Party) - 2:01:36]

thanks Lord Provost offers opportunities to talk to my
motion and also no amendments
which focuses on how we view cycling today which wasn't the case 40 years ago in 19 seventy seven then Lowthian regional Council
traffic Policy and Planning document did not mention cycling once in it when Sports wrote to the then Director of Highways and asked why that was the case he replied
pressure of work in the formulation of major transport policy was precluded any action on cycling so far
I think since then we've moved on i'm glad to say in edinburgh we know lead Scotland and terms of investment in cycling as a country Scotland leaves the UK in terms of investment and active travel twice per head was invested in England and Wales we invest in scotland that's good news
but all this progress would have happened so quickly i don't think without encouragement from other groups that serve bodies like spokes like Sustrans
unlike cycling scotland
i spoke as a local action groups we deal with them more than anyone else and things are always cordial
and very progressive every time we meet with them and long may that continue so I just like to wish smokes happy fortieth birthday and many happy returns

[Cllr Frank Ross (Scottish National Party) - 2:03:12]

and to second Councillor
ok i'll keep this brief first of all she's stress that I agreed to

[Cllr Scott Arthur (Labour) - 2:03:20]

second this before I was given two slices of cake and a pint of beer in waste books and I think before it was put out was elected it was probably
one of those people who thought that sports was just an organisation of whale minded people who who did their best promote cycling as since being elected to quite quite clear I found that actually a really effective lobbying organisation who communicate with me directly on all of us directly and
indirectly to further their aims
i think what's remarkable is so much about what we take for granted Edinburgh things like the cycleway through the Meadows and also the policies which have been developed in this chamber and elsewhere within the city chambers are really diluted spokes his perseverance so absolutely correct congratulate you on that they wish to the good as have got a plan for the next 10 years and we expect the plan to do more of the next 10 years than the last forty which is great I have only one us from the though I really hope will try to do more in my ward more and more in my work is another the best way of getting things done so quite happy to second this motion thank you

[Cllr Frank Ross (Scottish National Party) - 2:04:31]

that motion agreed

Item 9.5 - Motion by Councillor Jim Campbell - Communal Bins

9 point 5 As a motion by Councillor Jim Campbell on communal bins a

[Cllr Jim Campbell (Conservative) - 2:04:40]

coalition amendment has been circulated
Councillor Campbell to move your motion
yes I move my motion

[Cllr Frank Ross (Scottish National Party) - 2:04:48]

and to second
formally second
to move a caution amendment

[Cllr Lesley Macinnes (Scottish National Party) - 2:04:56]

thank you Lord Provost and
I think Emily whose raid the report Schedule will indicate it will be understand quite clearly that in fact in December we are expecting to see a report came forward from officials on a communal bin review which will actually address many of the issues referred to in this motion
that's the reason for our coalition amendment is to recognise the work is already underway
and to note that that report will be coming forward in December and we would prefer to see the issues brought to light in the same way before committing to the specific suggestions contained in the latter half of the of the motion and in order not to pre-empt m recommendations brought forward by officials or to unnecessary that it's down a specific path
any further work that is required i think needs to be requested through the Transport and Environment Committee and at the best done on the basis of further information following December on that basis I move our coalition amendment
the second the amendment
former Lord Provost

[Cllr Jim Campbell (Conservative) - 2:06:08]

total campbell you willing to accept the amendment

[Cllr Jim Campbell (Conservative) - 2:06:14]

I was going to use my right of reply if I may Lord Provost sheds
I appreciate it
so it can to account
thank you Lord Provost
I thank the Convener for her words and it wasn't my intention to cut across any of the work that is already taking place in the Transport Environment Committee
but I am
unsure whether what i'm suggesting under item 5 in my amendment is within the scope of the work that is already being conducted at having spoken to officers and what I would say to her is that I am
what i'd say to her as my wife and i were very lucky to have a short holiday last January and my wife was amazed that i was spending time taking photographs of bins
and I appreciated this sad I accept that site
but the reason I was taking photographs of bins in florence was because what the florentines had managed to do is line up each of their bins very neatly at the side of on the side of the road at the pavement and they were in perfect register they looked very attractive and the catered for all types of communal waste and I contrast that with the position when i walked home last night at Cannon Mills where we had a mixture of different receptacles of different sizes which are free to move around at the mercy of the wind or passers by or the trucks with different types of waste in an untidy street environment with bins on the pavement right beside which have to be collected by different vehicles I would urge the Convener to consider whether or not we could do better in edinburgh because I know she is very keen on copying european cities and trying to make our landscape as pleasant for our citizens as possible
so

[Cllr Frank Ross (Scottish National Party) - 2:08:21]

just precocity accepting the amendment
so I beg your pardon Lord Provost clarity new not not not unless they

[Cllr Jim Campbell (Conservative) - 2:08:30]

can figure can give me some indication she is willing to
look a little bit wider

[Cllr Lesley Macinnes (Scottish National Party) - 2:08:36]

so the answer is no
so the division bell will now be rung and avoids will be in one minute

[ Allan McCartney (Clerk) - 2:08:43]

[ Allan McCartney (Clerk) - 2:09:50]

ITEM 9 point 5 As emotion on communal bins is moved by Councillor Jim Campbell secondary cones' brown on behalf of the Conservative Group and has featured on the agenda the amendment is from the coalition and has been tabled as moved by Councillor McKenna's and seconded by Councillor Doran those voting for the coalition amendment
thirty nine and for the motion

[ Allan McCartney (Clerk) - 2:10:21]

20 for the amendment is carried

Item 9.6 - Motion by Councillor Mowat - Statues

[Cllr Frank Ross (Scottish National Party) - 2:10:26]

[ Allan McCartney (Clerk) - 2:10:29]

9 point 6 is a motion or an agenda from Councillor Mayet and caution amendment has again been circulated

[Cllr Joanna Mowat (Conservative) - 2:10:37]

can promote to move the motion
thank you Lord Provost I shall be fairly brief I think the motion is pretty self-explanatory this is one of these issues that comes up with regularity that people express concern about our Stachys I merely seek to find out whether this is actually causing damage to the fabric of the city or whether it's cosmetic in which case shoot hot press Council funds are being used to repair or cause a cosmetic issue which people are obviously interacting with the works of art which if it is not causing damage to our Stachys I find quite heartening that people are taking the time to interact with the monuments around us and there's a few others that people do interact with but we haven't I haven't listed here namely the pillartzes outside the cathedral I welcome the Convener of Culture and Communities Councillor wilson's
agreement to do this and bring this forward as a Members briefing as long as it's publicly accessible and can be sent out to anyone that has any queries i have no problems with this is just about establishing the facts so I thank you for that and accept the amendment
to move amendment Councillor Wilson

[Cllr Frank Ross (Scottish National Party) - 2:11:48]

yes this is an very much sir in agreement with the principal and we

[Cllr Donald Wilson (Labour) - 2:11:52]

need to we need a sound evidence and facts to be seen whether indeed the structures have been damaged and there
their arguments are in both directions but what we need this is is actual objective facts so that be a Members briefing and that that be publicly acceptable publicly available is very much our intention

[Cllr Frank Ross (Scottish National Party) - 2:12:15]

and to second the amendment
I

[Cllr Ian Campbell (Scottish National Party) - 2:12:19]

am not sure if i have to declare an interest and get a feeling in my youth that may have touched the dog's nose
i do promise that didn't inhale and
just to say this briefing has been made available several times to press releases etc. and i'm sure making available to Members it should bring this matter to a close

[Cllr Frank Ross (Scottish National Party) - 2:12:45]

[ Allan McCartney (Clerk) - 2:12:46]

so with the approval of the movers and seconders in each case the motion A as adjusted as approved

Item 9.7 - Motion by Councillor Laidlaw - A Placemaking Exercise for North West Portobello

9 point seven is a motion on Agenda beCouncil lead law as a placemaking exercise for North West Portobello coalition amendment has been circulated
control little to move the motion

[Cllr Callum Laidlaw (Conservative) - 2:13:08]

thank you Lord Provost or supermarkets recent or planned development of nearly eight hundred homes including a substantial residential retirement complex and now the redevelopment of one of the last areas of open space the five a side football pitches operated by power league and the tumbles soft play and Gymnastics Centre operated by Edinburgh Leisure north-west Portobello that square mile sliver between the sahara Lauder Road and the promenade is an area of edinburgh that's probably seen the most ferocious redevelopment of any part of our rapidly developing city in the past five years and frankly the community is increasingly tired of the piecemeal approach it appears that while planning procedures have been properly followed for each of these developments the area as a whole has not been looked at the area as a whole is changing in a way that people are treating the upset about in a way that people feel they need their voice to be heard no promise Portobello it may now be characterised as a place of fashionable alternatives and ArtisAnn coffee and Councillor Child cycling to yoga but north-west Portobello perhaps more than any other parts of the area remains a very diverse community on ticuna on a very quick tour and who are short on time and on one side of High Street you have a conservation area you have not only large Georgian high seas but small Regency workers cottages in the adelphi's pretty unique in Edinburgh they hugged the figure bone and i'm Roseville park and will be massively implicated and impacted by the new baileyfield development many are worried about how this changes the outlook and the impact on the barren itself and how their quality of life may be affected by an influx of what's looking now still close to five hundred new homes further along you have an Aldi supermarket which some of you will remember was quite controversial takes up a lot of high street has a large car park it's perhaps not something we'd often think about putting on one of our high streets and then the new retirement housing have already talked about on the other side you've got areas of two storey Affordable Housing you've got tenements you've got a pretty diverse high street you know you know anything from groceries and dog grooming to tanning and tattoos it is a pretty diverse community and then we have the problem itself which has seen a huge amount of redevelopment at the western end we've seen four and five storey luxury seafront houses and we have to bank primary schools stuck in the middle of it heavily subscribed and again a concern for parents over this new development
and then you have the west bank site this is an area that is proving increasingly controversial earmarked for sale by the Council used to be the site of the open air pool of a famous Portobello landmark work Sean Connery was once a lifeguard
and something which was always proposed as an area of recreational use this is dated the going to change the site is up for sale proposals are coming in and their seats that CIL is earmarked for major banknotes something which I very much support that it will be of great benefit to the people of East of the city but fundamentally this sale is the straw that has broken the Community camel's back so we don't actually have a Community Cameron Portobello i'm sure it's something we could create fund if we want it now the community had to put forward our participation request under the Community Empowerment Act for the Council to start consulting on the sale of this site and it is something that has been undertaken but the question remains and is continues it continues to be asked what do people want to see the north-west Portobello how do these different elements linked together and what is the combined pressure on infrastructure and services is it more recreational space people need and want is it more commercial opportunities what is the pressure on our schools and GPs and is there enough family sized accommodation now the Local Development Plan goes somewhere to reflect the Committee's concerns but doesn't go far enough and a real understanding needs is required of what place means to the people of portobello where they come from and where it's going to be
what I propose my motion is a place making exercise and what this is is using the place standard tool and something that has been developed by Scottish Government about five years ago it's been used a couple of times in edinburgh in Queen Street interest orphan and it's designed to write a simple framework to structure conversations about place to maximise the potential of the physical and social environment to support health well-being and a high quality of life and it's something i imagined every group in this Chamber supports and crucially we talk a lot about communities each party each h a manifesto talked a lot about communities talked about it with localities we use the word a lob are we really listening to our communities and I think the people of portobello feel they are not being listened to so what I am asking for is a place standard exercise to be held in north-west Portobello I believe is ideally suited to the area and Lord Provost thank you for your time and I move my motion thank you
to second the motion
that's me Lord Provost thank you thank you and I would like to second

[Cllr Mary Campbell (Scottish Green) - 2:17:59]

this motion I think this is going to be a helpful but of work and I would just like to add to account leave laws turn of portobello to say that one of the areas that a lot of people in Portobello consider Portobello although not part of our ward is the continuation of the prom along the Seafield site and I know that planning would probably find it very helpful if this was also part of the North West Portobello exercise as the area around Seafield possibly has changes in its future and it would be good to get a full sense of what the community sees as the future of that area as well I would also like to check that
the current participation process that the community council and the community is going through with the council includes a place making exercise focusing on west bank alone with the final bitter whose successful and I would hope that still is carried out informed by this wider placing exercise but recognising the specifics of my speech thank you

[Cllr Frank Ross (Scottish National Party) - 2:18:57]

to move the caution amendment controller

[Cllr Lewis Ritchie (SNP) - 2:19:03]

like very much Lord Provost or process or how many to say to anybody here the Edinburgh is a special place and i believe those such a special police because it isn't 5 A-C composed of several special places each with their own unique characters and distinct attractions
Portobello is without a shadow of adult one such special police are placed me not just by its sandy beach and wonderful promenade but by its vibrant community and the quality of its built environment while provosts securing the continued success of special places like Portobello takes care tact engineer 30 and sensitivity and shooting new development not only preserves the distinct character of the town but enhances it for future generations to enjoy places a huge responsibility on the Council and on Planning Officers Portobello has seen a great deal of new development in recent years it's true and it's probably fair to say that it hasn't all been met with universal acclaim by local residents as a Council we must work harder to develop a community first approach when building on such a scale and this is especially true when it is the Council itself which makes land available for new development that's why we're provost I am delighted to accept only one small amendment the motion tabled by my colleague Councillor Laidlaw what you're nor has cross-party support and has been championed an equal part by all four Ward Councillors it will set in motion I am i Planning Officers are already fully committed to do which is to work hand in hand with local elected members community groups and the people of portobello themselves to deliver high quality community focused innovative and sustainable future development for this wonderful and successful part of our city will close I move the amendment on behalf of the coalition

[Cllr Frank Ross (Scottish National Party) - 2:20:43]

to second the amendment can to a child

[Cllr Maureen Child (Labour) - 2:20:48]

i was going to second formally but I think what I need to say them in terms of the four of us local Councillors that worked together from day one as as a team together with four very
very X expert iceballs in them in community development and people from the community council from Portobello amenity society don't always see eye to eye are of one as one bringing forward this process and will support it fully support it and to enable this to go forward 90 percent of the things that go on in communities we across party will agree upon and what i've said to my colleagues and my three new colleagues as we work together as Portobello Craigmillar team is that the 90 percent of things that we agree on about we need to get right and we intend to ensure that we take the community with us and that if we can do that in in Portobello we can do it anywhere
in terms of conflict and
can be time consuming and very consuming in terms of resources consensus might take longer but an end it gets the best results and it gets the community working with you not against you so if we can get them Portobello and I believe we can we can do anywhere thank you

[Cllr Frank Ross (Scottish National Party) - 2:22:14]

Councillor Kate Campbell

[Cllr Kate Campbell (Scottish National Party) - 2:22:22]

thank you Lord Provost m i fell as that final Ward Councillor any to speak once again following an excellent contribution from Maureen on Monday night at the economic Strategy meeting it came up the Edinburgh was judged to be the second best place in the entire world to live coming only second to wellington in new zealand there are quite a few factors that contribute to quality of life here but undoubtedly a key one is the quality of our environment is partly about the aesthetic and we have the privilege of living in one of the most beautiful cities in the world but it's also about how we live in move about and interact with our spaces in the city and how they facilitate our interactions with one another
the decisions that we make about planning and development decisions of great importance they aren't decisions that we can easily reversed and they will shake shape of built environment for decades to come we must get these decisions right
the site West Bank is important not just for the people who live in Portobello but for all of the people across the city who regularly visit THE SITE spans from the High Street to the prom while it sits just outside the conservation area will have a vast impact on views from it and to it and it will shape the views you enter Portobello and it will impact on views from the problem
but it's not just about the aesthetic of the site currently the pitches are designated as outdoor space in the Local Development Plan and sitting next to them is the enormously popular loved and successful tumbles this is an area that people feel invested in and it's an area that contributes to quality of life development means change but what we all want to see is positive change this could include improvements to tumbles a linear park for active travel community growing small small commercial units for local businesses affordable housing for the many people who are priced out of the market in Portobello and much more
the SNP Scottish Government have made this possibility is much more achievable with the brilliant Community Empowerment Act Portobello are shown great enthusiasm so far with Bellfield becoming the first urban community buyout and this site being the first participation request in the city what this motion asks for and i'm delighted that Councillor Ritchie is so keen to get started his already arranged a meeting but he asks for the opportunity to explore these possibilities with the local community and find solutions that improve our built environment and meets the needs of the city and the people with living within their and delighted to support the amendment

[Cllr Frank Ross (Scottish National Party) - 2:24:40]

[Cllr Robert Aldridge (Liberal Democrat) - 2:24:45]

controlled which Councillor Bruce
and just speaking from a position of confusion here are not sure why there is an amendment to you there seemed to be a consensus had broken out
I was feeling the love in the room for joy and so on but i wasn't quite sure therefore why there was a division perhaps someone could enlighten me before we vote

[Cllr Frank Ross (Scottish National Party) - 2:25:10]

the proof the processes having the amendment having now been formally proposed and seconded is up to Councillor legal or to accept said amendments should he wish to
I was just in the process of going to costa Aldridge than you are
contributed

[Cllr Callum Laidlaw (Conservative) - 2:25:27]

if there are no other contributions
control illegal
thank you Lord Provost know why fill it was slightly presumptious kinds directly to set that meeting up based on the fact we accept the amendment has been are not going to break the love fest of consensus we have worked very closely across the void and and we can see ricci on getting getting this process right am i accept amendment

Item 9.8 - Motion by Councillor Graczyk - Welcomes Webcast Subtitles

[Cllr Frank Ross (Scottish National Party) - 2:25:53]

[ Allan McCartney (Clerk) - 2:25:55]

then takes us to Agenda Item 9 point 8 As a motion becomes a classic on webcast subtitles
Guildford GRASSIC to propose the motion

[Cllr Ashley Graczyk (Conservative) - 2:26:07]

that I moved the motion

[Cllr Frank Ross (Scottish National Party) - 2:26:11]

and second formally second Lord Provost

Item 9.9 - Motion by Councillor Jim Campbell - EV and Parking Infrastructure

[Cllr Max Mitchell (Conservative) - 2:26:13]

[Cllr Frank Ross (Scottish National Party) - 2:26:14]

that motion agree thank you
9 point 9 a motion by Councillor Jim camber on electric vehicles and parking infrastructure coalition amendment has been circulated
Councillor Jim Campbell to propose the motion
yes i'd like to propose my motion

[Cllr Graeme Bruce (Conservative) - 2:26:34]

i thank the administration for at their amendment accepting the early part of the motion but I would urge them to go further and also consider at the latter part where I am suggesting that parking ought to be considered in the context of providing electric vehicle charging points
and it's not certain how electric vehicles will roll out yet although it's looking much more likely that that will happen now than it did only a year ago
we don't know exactly what the charging technology is going to look like but
if the Charging technology is going to make the best of our infrastructure and if the charging technology is going to take advantage of
the greenest forms of energy which provide energy through the night then there's a strong logic for vehicles to be charged overnight and realistically the only way that can be done is with the
infrastructure that enables on street charging
and that's what makes charging inextricably linked with parking
and if we are going to look at ways of finding a method for paying for the electricity that is used to charge vehicles than it would seem to me logical that that method of payment is extended so it might provide a way for the charging for parking spaces as well and what I would like us what I'd like to see us do as a Council is to be thinking well ahead of everyone else i think this is an area where we could potentially get a first mover advantage by carefully considering how we could put these issues together and looking at what innovative solutions we could bring forward as a city for our own benefit and for the benefit of our citizens
and finally
it seems to me unlikely that this could be fully funded from the public purse given the
strain that is being placed on all budgets at this time
and therefore i think the council has an opportunity to consider if it would be possible or how it would be possible to attract in private capital to help deliver something that many people would say was a good thing and something that would be very good for the environment and for the city I move my motion

[Cllr Frank Ross (Scottish National Party) - 2:28:57]

to second the motion

[Cllr Callum Laidlaw (Conservative) - 2:29:04]

thank you Lord Provost will be very brief and I understand that the administration is already looking as alleged curvy electric vehicles and it wasn't either question I brought up a couple of Councils go but I think what Councillor Jim Campbell is doing in his motion is asking to relate the parking strategy which clearly is under review i know we're looking at diesel surcharges for example and take a more carrot less stick approach and try to encourage people to think about parking and their future vehicle purchases be that electric or plug in hybrid so I think Jim has done some real thinking about this and I ask the Council to consider his motion and administration to accept him thank you
Under caution amendment Councillor McKenna's thank

[Cllr Lesley Macinnes (Scottish National Party) - 2:29:42]

you lot promised and
I welcome the motion from Jim Campbell SA is he's mccain's Campbell and I want to informal at this point a from Councillor Campbell but again arizona's slate degree of weariness and this because as as has been mentioned fairly they had missed the officials are already undertaking work on this and we're looking in a very short space of time by December to receive their first degree of thinking around this
i'm hesitant to pre-empt that by
i'm hesitant to pre-empt that
for some of the reasons that you've got he touched on already in your contribution this morning Councillor Campbell because this whole area is evolving very rapidly and we need to make certain that the decisions that we make along the path that were going on this are the right ones and those you have correctly raised some very detailed questions and you've clearly done a lot of thinking behind that no value that very much
but i don't want to jump immediately to accept that we're going to go down a particular path let's wait until december let this is only a few weeks or we see that report and then look to what will be coming further a further report and we have been discussing with officials at the school that the report in December will outline a 12-month plan an initial 12 month plan with further work being done on a longer term strategy which clearly will be covering some of the issues that you are referring to here and that that will come back to Committee in June 2 thousand 18 so you can see that that is a path already set out in terms of reporting and thinking processes and that will allow us to take advantage of some of the A of the broader thinking is going on around the civil Parking Strategy so for that reason alone I would ask that the amendment is accepted and that we look at this as a two stage process
always open to discussion glad that you raise some of the points here I would suggest that we meet together with officials to discuss some of these in detail a both in the run up to the December meeting and post that am and that we were they can they look forward to the longer term strategy in june two thousand 18
for that reason I move the amendment

[Cllr Frank Ross (Scottish National Party) - 2:31:56]

certainly amendment fondly Lord Provost IQ
under any other contributions
reconfigured

[Cllr Nick Cook (Conservative) - 2:32:03]

financial close to or be thinking because there are a couple and a convenient both Reeves if any very good a very valid point to this but I think in the broader context what comes a couple of trying to get out here is that we're not trying to circumvent any the committee process and the work is ongoing and very much recognise out but the fact is that we need to ensure that have been as ambitious in its broadest possible
in many ways we know little about how the electric vehicles and infrastructure would interact and caught the full potential of disposable bought of Scottish and UK governments have said i think we'll Conservative Group are trying to say is that we need to be as broad as ambitious as possible with this and we've had a motion today actually think sports and i think it's a 40th anniversary and part of this use with good cycling infrastructure in the city that we know half is for decades there simply wasn't any and know what we have to do now is try to shoehorn could cycle infrastructure entire roads network that was built purely for another form of transport them to have to learn the lessons of that electric vehicles an opportunity to ensure that we can say that in the broadest possible sense it to ensure that we actually have something that's workable and feasible and work in the long term they wrong again like cycling ends up in a situation where a sea can Fair cycling Charging can fight our car charging point here or people can drive the electric vehicles there are really consider things in the round there simply was seeking to do is push the administration in the terms of more generally to be as ambitious as possible it's intuitive of a viable long term strategy would eat and encourage the use of electric vehicles which we hope will become far more affordable and widespread and frankly they are right now like to be in the foreseeable future
and that any other cultural art

[Cllr Scott Arthur (Labour) - 2:33:57]

i do believe that Councillor Campbell has made all its good points and I think as a Council we should do all we can to encourage people to switch from
against diesel and petrol cars over to hybrids and electric but you know when it was walking here this morning I was struck by the notion that it's not the wrong kind of car that's a problem is perhaps that we've got too many cars in the city centre in particular are not space rate that would bring us back to tick in a more considered way to make sure this policy connects with other things were trying to do in terms of how do we get people into public transport make that more reliable and make active transport you know safer and more accessible right across the city so it is right that we do take that more considered approach and as Councillor Cook says be much more ambitious about what we are doing here

[Cllr Frank Ross (Scottish National Party) - 2:34:48]

under that any other contributions if not Councillor Campbell Right of reply

[Cllr Callum Laidlaw (Conservative) - 2:34:54]

thank you Lord Provost

[Cllr Jim Campbell (Conservative) - 2:34:59]

I thank everyone for the contribution they have made and certainly want to make clear it was not my intention to cut across any work that is taking place in Committee is to add to the debate and hopefully M give us a more interesting debate that might serve us well in the long term
if the i think the Convener has given me an assurance that
the wider points i've raised regarding parking and the ways of paying for charging infrastructure is something that she is prepared to look at following the initial report that officers are currently working on I know from speaking to the officers that they have not included that in the scope of this work and I can see the Convener is nodding to confirm that but on the basis that the computer has given an assurance to this Chamber that she will look at that and once the December report has come in I am willing to accept her amendment

Item 9.10 - Motion by Councillor Webber - Heriot Watt University

if it is approved by all partners are occurrences of decision 19 then is the motion becomes a waiver on Harriet Ward university
however
thank you Lord Provost

[Cllr Susan Webber (Conservative) - 2:36:23]

hopefully repositioning firstly i'm saddened a little bit actually there earlier on today Councillor colleague tools to politicise this motion which truly seeks to celebrate one of Edinburgh's foremost establishments and it's an international aid McGuinness educational institute that we should be extremely proud of in our City of Edinburgh its reach and its internationalism is far wider than that of the EU
so what I would like to do is celebrate and recognise the benefits the whole community gains from its proximity to this fabulous campus we have the orion and also the ext excellent public transport links to the campus at Rickarton
this inaugural award of international university of the year in the Good University Guide from the times and the sunday times is recognition of this truly global reach of heriot-watt university it demonstrates the wide and reaching educational that's available from Harriet wart and also the impact that this has on their contribution to global global development and innovation across the world i know that had it was also very proud of their sword and specifically of the recognition were giving it today in this Chamber it demonstrates and it's a real example of the value of Civic academic partnerships
I that's my motion thank you promised

[Cllr Frank Ross (Scottish National Party) - 2:37:43]

lord provost time very hoppy's form was second arm Councillor webber's

[Cllr Jason Rust (Conservative) - 2:37:49]

motion i think concurrent entirely with her comments

[Cllr Frank Ross (Scottish National Party) - 2:37:52]

we're happy to greener

Item 9.11 - Motion by Councillor Whyte - Housing First Model

we are now at one o'clock we have four motions are thanks to all to do with five amendments and or be agenda and a stenographer's bleak if within so i'm going to suggest that we actually break for lunch at this point but with the Chambers agreement I would suggest perhaps limit this to 40 minutes to come back at twenty two would that be agreeable
excuse me just before we are finished please sign was Council Leader
thank you very much Lord Provost I thought no would be a good juncture

[Cllr Adam McVey (Scottish National Party) - 2:38:28]

to commence earlier on in my response to the question by Councillor Brown am I highlighted clause mcclellan's at work and even a nuisance can point out to me says that he doesn't earn money from that goes directly to more acutely from the publisher someone that habit apologising and correct the record m have say with money going to Charter do feel a bit more warm and fluffy about the whole thing
thank you very much

Item 9.11 - Motion by Councillor Whyte - Housing First Model

[Cllr Frank Ross (Scottish National Party) - 2:38:54]

[Cllr Frank Ross (Scottish National Party) - 2:42:11]

[Cllr Frank Ross (Scottish National Party) - 2:42:20]

ok thank you everybody
welcome back
we can all take their seats please
thank you
hand back to the Clerk to recommence the business

[ Allan McCartney (Clerk) - 2:42:41]

thank you our promise next item is Item nine eleven is a motion by Councillor wait on the Housing First model coalition amendment and I gideon addendum have been circulated
COUNCILLOR wait to move the motion
thank you are promised
I think just about got my breath back from going upstairs from my iPad so hopefully this will all work

[Cllr Iain Whyte (Conservative) - 2:43:07]

that are there is an addendum which i don't think i can agree Lord Provost
simply because it looks at a much wider issues which are part of the purpose of motion
and talks about
going to going off to UK ministers over something which is largely a devolved in Scotland and housing policy particularly is but even benefits matters are gradually being devolved and I think there is much that has been done to change the way that even some of the UK wake benefits work in terms of different systems in Scotland and monies to this Council and issues that Scottish Government and UK Government have negotiated
on the wider issue Councillor Barry has put forward an amendment I know my seconder will cover this in some more detail but my key concern about that is some of the timescales involved and the time it will take to implement anything off
homelessness Task Force this was an attempt to bring forward a motion suggesting something that would work as i'll see in a moment and therefore to celebrate some work on that
lord provost in my motion I think there is a slight
mistake
the think Tank convulsion is the centre for social justice and I think is wrongly attributed elsewhere in the drafting they are so i'd like to correct that first of all
lord provost that come to the issue of rough sleeping
and homelessness from the basis that in the 19 ninety's the rough sleepers initiative
implemented by the then Conservative Government helped end rough sleeping here in Edinburgh and across Scotland
we've done it before and we should be able to do it again
rough sleeping has risen over the last number of years and the Council Leader indicated that it's not huge problem but there might be fifty odd that could be higher than that could be up to one hundred people sleeping rough regularly in edinburgh certainly maybe not all in the one night but over a period of time
i'm proposing housing first as part of the suite of solutions because I believe it works
i believe it works from research i've seen from the Centre for Social Justice and it really shouldn't cost that much if it's only about fifty or sixty people in finding them housing because fundamentally while we do have a wider homelessness problem
and why we must do much more
to work to prevent homelessness it is a scandal in this day and age that people are sleeping rough on the streets and we must do something about that
this is a harm reduction approach like we do in other areas it targets the most vulnerable and it gives them permanent accommodation not waiting for them to be housing ready
Lord Provost just one piece of evidence in putting this forward
and it's not from elsewhere in the world is from glasgow turning point implemented housing first in two thousand and ten
we've had two hundred and two farewells the assisted assess sixty four people and quit thirty four into tendencies twenty six or no longer supported the need that support and only one has been evicted since two thousand and ten this approach can work Lord Provost and we should be looking at it quickly here tonight
and to second the motion
be brief Lord coerced into poverty because of weight to any put

[Cllr Graham Hutchison (Conservative) - 2:46:50]

forward a re-cased for hosting first and a success and the latest hits particularly but also in our council areas in the UK is well documented
as an innovative solution to a very serious problem as Councillor White has already said and this motion merely asked for a report and three cycles and to this issue where
amendment put forward by your administration as ambiguous and lacks a timescale
when the issue of homelessness was reported and native evening news on the 29th July to frozen and 16 Councillor Ricky Henderson as Convener of the Health and Social Care and Housing Committee said on increasing homelessness in Edinburgh the Council was currently working with partner agencies to develop a joint approach to future service delivery are we really to believe but fifty months on we are in a position where we can move beyond considering these things and can't even commit your timescale
on that basis Lord Provost I second the motion
to move the coalition amendment can do about it

[Cllr Gavin Barrie (Scottish National Party) - 2:48:07]

thank you and moving the coalition motion the costings accepting agreed addendum
i'm going to see that except with some reluctance because I do recognise slightly what Councillor Waite refer to them as much it gives a mixed message and to be quite frank homelessness nursery is too big a problem to make a political football and notes the danger i see and addendum but the reality is that the coalition believe what an addendum so we don't feel in a position to reject it
can see the wii it's not that we don't welcome this motion or to be frank it was already on the radar as been talked about by various people and i'm sure obstinately Task Force were going to look at to anyway
we want a Task Force to be collegiate on composting and we want nothing to put that under threat so
it's got to be everybody working to the same outcome thank that an essentially and nurse capital city with all its wealth that we still of people sleeping on the streets for whatever reason it's got to be dealt with and scott to be dealt with again an all-encompassing mono by all the parties and this grim
as well as a time kids are most concerned
in the Task Force document that will go before a Committee in next month there are dates and on the 18th of January i won't forget that it's my birthday we expected not the report from the taskforce and we have got to
with a final report in June what I can't see on the timescales the vase can be not and myself are appropriately items and F the task force of finding something that works that can be implemented why would we wait why would be off people sleeping on the streets when something's been identified now if that happens to be the Housing First model that can be implemented quickly within a constrained budget why would we not do it to i can give you the obsolete gunty not if it can something can come in January which is roughly the three cycles of talking about the Housing economy can eat that can be implemented if it's in a fit state to happen we would accept their doctor and would ask the Conservative Members who will be invited to report a Task Force to press for Lot press for a little everybody would agree that would be the right thing to do so what hope at this stage you can accept an amendment governor what's of shared what he has just now
i'm to second a coalition amendment Cameron
and kill our provost and
it's just the points and that's

[Cllr Lezley Marion Cameron (Labour) - 2:50:55]

the Conservative Group aren't prepared to accept it green are dangerous and whilst it is welcome that the concern themselves with reducing homelessness and addressing what is a serious issue in our city and in others and don't you key
i'm saddened that the would not agree to support rating to the UK Government Minister
to highlight the impact that cuts to welfare and the Conservative Government's
policy programme
the contribution that the government's programme has made to causing such a serious problem for individuals in our city since two thousand and ten under the Conservative UK Government rough sleeping has more than doubled and in the run up to this year's general election what was on offer from the Conservative
party was a homelessness reduction Oct whereas
what was on offer from the Labour party was a commitment to reduce rough sleeping and homelessness within the life of a parliament so even if the Conservative pledge was to reduce it by by a half whereas the Labour party wanted to get rid of it altogether
in order for us to do so to really tackle homelessness and housing need because it's not just rough sleepers its goes beyond that we've got families in bed and breakfast with individuals and all sorts of housing need across the city
but for us to really tackle it seriously not only do we need Task forces to look at it very seriously and very swiftly that councils need funding to build homes for those in need and also we need to funding to keep services for people who are in hostels and and receiving services to keep those services off a open
whilst attention has been given to first time buyers in terms of assisting them to get on the the larger the plain fact is that but does not acknowledge and accept that buying property for many is simply of the question and even clinging to private sector private rented sector accommodation is extremely extremely difficult
as I say I welcome the Conservative Group on this Council's move and contribution to the Homelessness Task Force into the work of the housing and economy Committee
but I think in terms of
ideology are our policy I think underlying everything is a staunch belief in terms of the Conservative Government and parties outlook on this issue underlying everything is a staunch belief that you cannot afford that if you cannot afford to rent your home it is not because the market is rigged but it is because of a personal feeling that does not deserve to go unpunished and not what
I am against and my party is against
since two thousand and ten the number of new Government hosted and I am talking about the EU key
built for social rent so Council housing across the UK has fallen by ninety seven percent under this Conservative Government the amount of affordable housing new-build has fallen by 50 percent so whilst I welcome the Conservatives motion on
housing first as a potential solution amongst a suite of solution it really does not begin to address we are trying to address here with the Homelessness Task Force and hopefully we can do in a more collegiate way across the Council and with sufficient funds from Scottish Government and UK Government because in today's Edinburgh and today's Scotland and g.'s yuki we should not be having statistics you do not have a safe warm place to leave their hated night thank you Lord Provost
go to a route to propose the Green addendum

[Cllr Frank Ross (Scottish National Party) - 2:54:55]

thank you Lord Provost

[Cllr Susan Rae (Scottish Green) - 2:54:59]

I welcome this as well and I would like to see that I do not believe that is a single person in this Council Chamber that does not want to end the crisis of homeless moose that we have in the city however I do have to urge caution for Conservative counterparts i think my interpretation of how we come to this point in time is very different to the years
if we look for example am the House Inn flush model the House and fresh model was first implemented in 19 90 19 91 in England and that was as a direct response to massive huge benefit cuts
at the time of a Conservative Government they choose altered in huge influx of homeless people particularly young people
and that was why health and fresh fish came about it wasn't introduced in Scotland until later on
but by the time it was introduced in scotland it's interesting to note that there were no Tory MPs left in Scotland
the rough sleepers initiative has already been scoped by the Council officers so the work has already been done or not and it gives us an excellent opportunity because there is nothing we are not going to look out there is going to hear where they were home some places
but I would like to point this out
past experience of rough sleeping project shows that they all developed all of them have been developed after enormous swingeing benefit cuts
so today we are facing a crisis of rough sleeping with winter coming and three people a month dying on our streets
the crisis is now here and it's been caused by the sheer willfulness and willfulness is a word I use deliberately here and it's the word is used by the civil servant who was asked to implement the program of universal credit
universal credit is a punitive system the sanctions regime is punitive and the cuteness of the benefit cap the have all contributed to the homelessness cases we are no thiessen so I think for the Conservatives to see that they have not been culpable in this and for the emotion to say that they are not culpable is oxymoronic the very least thank you
agenda
Councillor Kate Campbell

[Cllr Kate Campbell (Scottish National Party) - 2:57:43]

thank you Lord Provost and as homelessness champion I wanted to reassure Councillor White that we will be looking at all possible models that will help us to tackle homelessness and housing first is definitely one of these
and i've spoken to lots of people from third sector people like kate posts in of rock Trust who gave a very eloquent address earlier and sadly there was no one on the Conservative benches to hear that
but she spoke sheets and other people from third sector have spoken to me about housing first in the potential benefits particularly for people with complex needs her rough sleeping
tackling rough sleeping as a priority for us and it does seem to be one of the era the approaches with the highest success rate when it comes to maintaining tendencies the Scottish Government have already been on a fact-finding visit to finland who have successfully adopted to housing first model and have made huge advances with it but i'm told that the advice from finland was not to wholesale adopt another country's housing first model but to make your own one that suits the needs and demands of your own population so although it is refreshing to see the Conservatives highlighting the good work of the Scottish Government is absolutely crucial that we get this right so we have to recognise that there isn't one single solution but that different people have different needs that said I support the amendment
that the cross party group of Councillors who will be working together on the Task Force discussed this in detail take evidence and then a report comes out of that and goes to housing an economy where it can be further scrutinised and discussed the Task Force is absolutely focused on finding the right solutions for the city and housing first i'm sure will be one of those
controlled firms remotely reversed

[Cllr Robert Aldridge (Liberal Democrat) - 2:59:26]

some removal defeat the Housing First yr program and delighted that the Conservatives have brought this motion here before us today we will be supporting the growth of both amendment and the addendum we totally take the point that the Addendum is off topic but we have to agree with the sentiments of it it isn't actually strictly anything to do with housing first model
however we will we will be supporting it i think when we're talking about housing first its and about rough sleeping and about the homelessness it's important that we are accurate and evidence based and you know for example there's been some talk about the rough sleepers initiative where there was a separate one in Scotland and which took a slightly different approach from the one in England but I think was actually more successful
that Housing First was actually established in the united states by some cibarius and not in england and it was kind of
as a means of a cost effective way of dealing with people who are multiple excluded and homeless so i think it's important that we we operate in position of objective understanding objective knowledge and based on the evidence but I think the other thing that we need to remember in looking at housing first and we didn't go into all of the three aspects just now is that every housing first model in the UK has required some additional third party funding either from the lottery or from somewhere else in order to meet the upfront costs of extra support but it has also resulted in different use of health services so a saving to health services and the sea and a change in behavior which has affected the costs to the criminal justice service so i'm I hope that in examining this we will also look at what contributions might be able to be made from both the criminal Justice side and from the Health said to meet housing first long term sustainable solution as one of the solutions to homelessness in the city thanks very much

[Cllr Frank Ross (Scottish National Party) - 3:01:26]

I have no other indications of elected Members wishing to contribute or just do one last check which case cotuhe right rate of reply

[Cllr Iain Whyte (Conservative) - 3:01:39]

thank you Lord Provost I had hoped that during the debate I might be able to accept some of the suggestions from others and am grateful to Councillor Barry and Councillor Campbell for indicating that they will look at this and they will do so timorously because I think it has to be done in a swift timescale unfortunately because of the addendum i can't accept what's been proposed against my motion
let me just reference a few things that have been said Councillor old-age is absolutely correct about objective knowledge and for his reference he will know that I was referring to the Scottish Rough Sleepers initiative and that it is slightly different to the English version and it was very successful in the City regrettably since that time rough sleeping has risen in the city and my fear Lord Provost is that at least in part that is because our outreach services aren't doing the job they once where to get people off the streets and back into housing and that's what we have to solve we spend over 60 million pounds a year on homelessness services but we still have people sleeping rough on our streets and so we're not doing a good enough job as a Council
and if nothing else i hope that raising this today means that that homelessness Task Force looks at that issue and actually start to see for our services are doing
on benefits Lord Provost there is a separate issue bike would say there are more people in work than ever before there are fewer on benefits the system is working for the vast majority
I concede that there are some with extremely complex needs who are falling through the net those are the ones we must help locally those are the ones we must put the right services in place for our systems whether it's prevention or whether it's Housing First or whether it's other means of ending Rough sleeping have to be better and that's what we all want to see and I would urge you to support my motion because that's the intention behind it thank you

[Cllr Frank Ross (Scottish National Party) - 3:03:45]

[ Allan McCartney (Clerk) - 3:03:49]

the division bell will be rung and avoidable been one minute
ITEM 9 point eleven as the motion housing first model where the

[ Allan McCartney (Clerk) - 3:04:57]

Conservative motion features on Agenda smear prakosa of weight second becomes our Hutcheson and includes the main are changed to a reference to the Centre for Social Justice the amendment is a combination of the coalition amendment and also the Green Group Addendum with approvals of rivers in each case and so those voting for that amendment as adjusted
45 and far the motion

[Cllr Frank Ross (Scottish National Party) - 3:05:36]

18 the amendment as adjusted is approved

Item 9.12 - Motion by Councillor Doggart - Unmet Self-Directed Care

[ Allan McCartney (Clerk) - 3:05:40]

Agenda Item 9 point 12 as emotion by kearns' dogger on Agenda unmet Self directed Care coalition amendment and are getting amendment have been circulated
Councillor target to propose the motion

[Cllr Phil Doggart (Conservative) - 3:05:58]

thank you Lord Provost and unthinkingly for removing the degree of sophistication from my surname that Councillor McVey believes is necessary that's much appreciated thank you
I think first of all it's appropriate to start by thanking Councillor Henderson and Councillor Mann for their openness and discussions over the last few days in terms of this motion
Lord Provost repetition can indeed be tedious and dated can be an urgent to some
but sometimes it is important to ensure that the message is heard through repetition
it's very welcome that the Council Leader has retreated from his new crisis position of last month to accepting indeed that we have in his words a serious problem in respect of health and social care so that is indeed a start
I think we know Lord Provost that as winter approaches and given the state of our footpaths the likelihood of more elderly people fall and injuring themselves and not in hospital and then been unable to access proper care packages is the home once they were available are ready to go home means that the problem is going to get worse over the next few months i'm solar provost in terms of trying to help the Council helped administration look at solutions to problems rather than just a bit problems we have proposed the motion today to have an option to provide services to those who have unmet care needs in the City innovative solutions will be needed to solve the problem and that is why the motion is being moved
the cost of an average care package Lord Provost is an eighth of what it costs to keep someone in hospital
i think we're looking up the work of the IGA be the the partnership
we can see that the benefit to the public purse of providing care to those at home rather than being in hospital not only has an advantage to the individual and remember behind all these numbers as individuals but it also provides a benefit to the public Services
solar provost we are extremely keen that we address innovative solutions
2 To meet the problem i recognize Councillor henderson's
reluctance to accept the wording in the motion and I think we're coming from different starting points I think we can rely on those who regularly its care packages to do their job properly and I think it's important that we can convict sure that care packages that are provided by perhaps you entrance coming into the city to provide those packages will be adequately regulated and will meet minimum standards so I recognise what Councillor Henderson will say when it comes to to his amendment
it's a serious issue we know that we're not going to
solve the problem unless we come up with innovative solutions
and it would be wonderful if the Council could identify this as one method of at least seeming to solve the problem of the most vulnerable group and our survey and move the motion

[Cllr Frank Ross (Scottish National Party) - 3:09:26]

and to second the motion
formally second the motion thank you are processed
move the caution amendment Councillor Henderson

[Cllr Ricky Henderson (Labour) - 3:09:42]

and vital national promised to be a very very brief can understand the degree of agreement on a way forward a was this and I do welcome cassadaga say comments and we do face a number of challenges that has been well rehearsed today and thank her and other places and certainly
we face some very serious issues to start to pervade the type of care that really should be as an Authority and looking to house a lot always say statistics he had just now but they are freely available for Minister phase should they wish to do so and Castlederg has come forward with a different suggestion that to tackle
the problem of A delays within the system whether or not it is practical realisable honestly know but nobody dismiss that I think we should take that on board and I think I have said before a good idea has many parents about ideas always an orphan and so I think we should examine this ask officials take away and a half oscars adults surveyed maybe just a little more detail about who he thinks that would work in practice or let's see if it actually will have
any effect and we can try everything that it does so what's that are believed to have agreement on a way forward on day thank Councillor Bogle Councillor meal for the main for their cooperation
to second the coalition
I formally second
to propose the Green amendment can swim in
a largely some happy to withdraw the addendum as the concerns have

[Cllr Melanie Main (Scottish Green) - 3:11:11]

been addressed in the administration amendment and am happy that's acceptable to Councillor Doggart

[Cllr Frank Ross (Scottish National Party) - 3:11:22]

are there any Members wishing to contribute further
it's not that you consult about for a right of reply

[Cllr Phil Doggart (Conservative) - 3:11:29]

in the manner of Councillor Henderson riding over the hill to rescue the beleaguered conciliator's this morning I accept his also kind offer and i will accept the amendment

Item 9.13 - Motion by Councillor Hutchison - Christmas Lights

so the Council decision is approved there there's a just amendment or as a combination of the two
just amendment does
so the amendment is as approved
nine thirteen by Council hutchison Christmas lights are caution amendment has been circulated
does not just

[Cllr Graham Hutchison (Conservative) - 3:12:08]

thank you Lord Provost i'd like to fight Councillor Rosa and for his constructive amendment to a motion which accepts all the points made there will be accepted that when it was put forward
and bringing this motion before Council today I wish to highlight the confusion and frustration caused to community groups across the city by the lateness of the council's decision to provide funding for Christmas lights on local high streets
we can be rightly proud of our christmas celebrations and they have involved the transformation of the City Centre until winter wonderland each year as our site and an experience to behold for locals and visitors alike
last year one of our Best Council literally pulled the plug on Christmas lights in communities across Edinvar by take our last minute decision to withdraw funding
while some communities such as my home village of Kirkliston in my own ward remarkably managed to secure his support for sale funded lights last year despite the limited time frame are simply had to admit defeat and start putting plans in place for this year and a fantastic display of community mobilisation and action for the first nine months of this year groups across the city have raised funds purchase lights and secured contracts for Christmas 20 17 and beyond
only for the Council to enter names in October there would be funding available for local Christmas lights Fisher with communities such as davidson's means on the verge of senior multi-year contract to provide Christmas lights at their own expense versus eleven for announcement led to confusion invest damage to relationships with suppliers and contractors
having their new lessons at all from last year's Christmas lights to bakal became solving compounded the lateness organised by making a logical decision to provide funding for a single year only leave our new of uncertainty and confusion as to what the intention was for next year and beyond
therefore asking Lord Provost for this Council to acknowledge the uncertainty caused and to apologise to communities across the city affected by the decision to put in place measures in future to ensure a Christmas lights decisions are taken on the basis of Norway sushi years an unknown stairway enough in the year to provide certainty to the local community is planning a Christmas celebrations I move this motion in my name
to second the motion

[Cllr Stephanie Smith (Conservative) - 3:14:37]

thank you look for this because this is a time for communities to come together and the threats of cooling their stockings rather than a beautiful display of celebrating lights and
many communities throughout the city had taken to organise an and displays in order to avoid that confusion and risk of disappointing their residents and pleased to second Councillor hutchison's motion to try to ensure that communities don't injure this kind of uncertainty at what should be a special time of year
to move the caution amendment Councillor Wilson
thank you lot promised

[Cllr Donald Wilson (Labour) - 3:15:11]

as you already had they amendment does not detract in any way from the entire content
of the motion which we accept
and indeed I remember very well and 2 thousand 16 The withdraws the Christmas lights from many areas of the city and the hardship and disappointment that that caused and indeed my own anger at the way that that had been communicated and brought forward to the day there was an acknowledgement at the time that elected members have not been involved in that decision and
saw its or it should be the cause of great celebration that we have reinstated because of additional money the two previous levels the money for that the Christmas lights and indeed aged forty thousand then to take them back to the levels that were out 2 thousand 16 but just adding that indeed to to give that commitment to give that assurance that negotiations are taking place with communities to make sure that we have a sustainable we forward within the funding that we have that will take us forward as you see in the amendment for the next four years so this year being the kind of traditional one off year transitional one off year and then after that we will have a sustainable way to approach the Christmas lights and christmas trees funding for the foreseeable future but we will give all give that assurance yet it is not good enough to have that kind of uncertainty in communities actually share the
the love of the fact that communities get together that team this time of year and work together for a festive
celebration throughout the city within the communities of the city as well as the centre so it's hugely important we have to make a commitment to make sure that that goes ahead we have to facilitate that but most importantly the spirit of the motion will have to communicate effectively to the local communities

[Cllr Frank Ross (Scottish National Party) - 3:17:03]

i'm decision to caution amendment control income

[Cllr Ian Campbell (Scottish National Party) - 3:17:08]

or find that sam quite interesting that Councillor hutchison Lord Provost has managed to turn a good news story into bad news story in fact that we were able to find funds and be able to fund it through extra funds received and be able to fund this should be a good news story but maybe that's the way he's realised that christmas has changed for many people in the city
maybe it's just the dimming of lights in the streets that some people see but as many households are suffering after many years of austerity and that steady T effects of budgets of the council as well
but that dumping of delays that might be there there is a symbol of what's happening in homes that can't afford to
Christmas dinner behalf to go to food banks and can afford the toys for the children or the hoses hotels that going today it and I think that this is just another reflection and maybe it's been the first that someone seen that austerity also affects Christmas

[Cllr Frank Ross (Scottish National Party) - 3:18:15]

are there any other contributions yes Councillor McNeese-Mechan

[Cllr Amy McNeese-Mechan - 3:18:28]

and I think there is probably hugh greater fans of Christmas celebrations and myself and i'd like to say that
I have had the opportunity to see some of the plans for this year's christmas AND hogmanay festivals and i'm was very reassured that i'm not only is it going to be a spectacular celebration but all of our communities are really going to be engaged so I think that this is this is not going to be a christmas that disappoints anyone but Lord Provost what i'd like to ask is that the Council joins with me and remembering that this is also a festival of lights for many of our other community members the Festival of Divali and that i'm that is something that we should take cognisance of and i'm and give our congratulations and best wishes
actual
actual progress and it is very very briefly and

[Cllr Kevin Lang (Liberal Democrat) - 3:19:23]

passed off thought that last contribution from Councillor Campbell was rather a necessary given the fact that the amendment does actually accept the entirety of the motion that Councillor hutchison m has put forward as one of his fellow Ward members i think it's absolutely right that this matter has been brought forward because it not weighing we are setting budgets and where we are trying to create certainty and clarity for local organisations we need to do that in a consistent manner and the difficulty with what has happened this year is that a number of local organisations have operated only certain understanding and on a certain basis and then that has changed at a very last minute and the difficulty is that unless we provide that certainty and that clarity to local organisations then when it does come to a point where we are leading them in some cases to step in to fundraise to organise the me very will not do that if they are holding off in the expectation that some money maybe available data at a later point I absolutely want to echo the comments that Councillor hutchison me because it's not just about money it's also about relationships that way in these organisations are entering into contracts or thin goodwill agreements with third parties to provide things like this where we do make these changes at the very last minute stage it does damage those relationships which local organizations rely on and which the cherish and which our wider communities benefit from so i absent to be clear i did welcome absolutely welcome the money that was made available this year and I know that local organizations welcome that 2 that was not to diminish that but I do think there is a valuable lesson here for the future in terms of how we engage and communicate with local organisations and how we provide that clarity and that certainty so not just this Council can plan for the future but local organisations can do likewise

[Cllr Frank Ross (Scottish National Party) - 3:21:34]

are there any other contributions if not Council hircheson to

[Cllr Graham Hutchison (Conservative) - 3:21:40]

thank you all for your contributions there and as I say when I first stood to propose this motion a fact Councillor Wilson for his collaborative approach m and 4 columns discusses some in advance is very much appreciated and very much in the christmas spirit perhaps you might have a word because our Campbell and explain that motion to have because he clearly does not
so worth about Lord Provost I accept amendment to a motion and move the motion as amended
and is agreed
thank you

[ Allan McCartney (Clerk) - 3:22:18]

final emotion is the option motion by Councillor Ritchie which has been circulated on developer contributions
Councillor Ritchie

[Cllr Lewis Ritchie (SNP) - 3:22:30]

thank you Lord Provost approach when development takes place in the city it is important that developers make a contribution towards supporting local infrastructure to ensure that when the City clause it grows in a measured and controlled way with the impact that new development properly managed a recent supreme Court decision on developer contributions has the potential to impact N Bowler significantly and it is imperative that we understand this potential impact filly
this motion will have the effect of charging Head of Legal Services and Chief Planning Officer to investigate and report back to planet community planning committee on the full implications of this decision and I hope I have support from all sides of the Chamber and seeing that this is done and I move the motion on behalf of the coalition
to second
formally second
is that agreed goes remote
they'll provost and i'm sorry i haven't brought anything prepared i

[Cllr Joanna Mowat (Conservative) - 3:23:24]

wonder if the Convener would be prepared to
accept a small addendum at paragraph 6 just in light of what we've previously discussed today are with Councillor Campbell's question Campbell's question about a register of section seventy five
i've had conversations with some of my colleagues and i haven't been able to track down the exact bit of paper but we did look in one of the audits we have report to G R B V about the Met register we maintain about contracts and and some things that i don't have the detail but I just wonder if it is Section 6 you could ask them when that reviewing this work and the impact about establishing a register of section seventy five agreements going forward and just reviewing what it is we have to keep
track of at the moment i don't know picks up
a fuss very much for that are concerned about a casino at knows that I often rely on have expertise in Planning Committee and I value very greatly when she offers it i think of this case thar am reluctant to accept what she proposes for the simple reason that this was a landmark supreme Court decision and i don't really want to muddy the

[Cllr Lewis Ritchie (SNP) - 3:24:39]

waters in the way that suggests a won't be able to provide some of your students and as much as that records are kept the monies received from developers on a quarterly and annual basis
we have tabled their own Supplementary Guidance there is no single Scottish Ministers to actually create this very system that she asked for as with Scottish Ministers have been an understanding under the excuse me i'm under the understanding that in twenty eight days will have a response to what there is so I believe that that work is under way or believe that she'll get exactly what she wants to see how that process but I would like to keep this specific case very specific on the supreme court judgment which will have a big impact on the city
I think Lord Provost given that and we can work this apparatus at

[Cllr Joanna Mowat (Conservative) - 3:25:23]

another time to take in relation to planning and I do understand why you would want to keep this time because this is a very significant judgment something that we had reservations about what we started on the process but it will have to be clear thank you

[Cllr Frank Ross (Scottish National Party) - 3:25:38]

on that basis we are happy to accept the motion
thank you
the final item my Lord Provost is on the agenda the law allows the Council to consider certain items and private finite on today contains private commercial information and is intended to be considered in private if the Council could use the whole diet and private that can be agreed OK the webcasts will now be terminated the decision will be set out and publish minute of today's meeting could all members of the press and public and any officers without an interest in this item leave the Chamber please